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On 5/3/2017 at 11:42 AM, Jimbo said:

Since @Volunteer281s post regarding this was hidden:

Can I log off after being restrained by civs after 10 minutes has passed?

Volunteers post changed the ruling on this for a while, now that the post is gone, does that mean it is back to being allowed?

 

On 5/4/2017 at 4:24 PM, bigjohn561 said:

This...

 

On 5/6/2017 at 6:28 PM, iSnuff said:

I got downed and restrained and we were driving around. after 9mins they re-initate with me do I have to wait another 10min to log off?

Not hidden. It's still there. 

 

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5 hours ago, bigjohn561 said:

And.... the guys get their friend (admin) to ban even tho it was after 10 min.. so before someone else goes through this mind going into more detail like the grey areas?

Gray area 10 minute example. You and your gang get in a fight with the cops. You get downed and restrained pretty quickly into the fight. Does your ten minute timer start then? No. Your timer would not start until the cops had the ability to remove you from the fight scene.So the gray area for this (and why it's hard to determine/ban for and why we require a lengthy video) is well what determines being removed from the scene of the action? As soon as you got put in a car? As soon as they started driving away with you? What happens if a minute later some of your gang members ambush the cops escorting you away. Would that reset the timer? What about if when you are being processed at HQ your gang attacks and gets in a fight with the cops at the HQ. Would that negate your timer? As you can see there are a lot of factors that need to be taken into consideration. 

Let me explain it like this. The whole reason for the 10 minute timer thing was originally put in place for two reasons.

1. Civs who were in police custody for ridiculous periods of time. Whether it was because you were restrained and left where you were or you were forgotten about for extended periods of time. As you were stuck in permanent restraints. It was not meant to be an excuse to log out after 10 minutes because you were salty that the cops got you or you didn't like the way they got you. 

2. Civs or cops who were restrained and being abused by other civs for ridiculous periods of time. There were issues with people being restrained against their will for over an hour and people being downed, over and over again for long periods of time. This 10 minute rule was put in place to help alleviate this issue. It was not meant for civs or cops to declare "you have 10 minutes" immediately after getting downed and restrained by civs and then going AFK for those 10 minutes.

Hope this helps.

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35 minutes ago, Volunteer281 said:

Gray area 10 minute example. You and your gang get in a fight with the cops. You get downed and restrained pretty quickly into the fight. Does your ten minute timer start then? No. Your timer would not start until the cops had the ability to remove you from the fight scene.So the gray area for this (and why it's hard to determine/ban for and why we require a lengthy video) is well what determines being removed from the scene of the action? As soon as you got put in a car? As soon as they started driving away with you? What happens if a minute later some of your gang members ambush the cops escorting you away. Would that reset the timer? What about if when you are being processed at HQ your gang attacks and gets in a fight with the cops at the HQ. Would that negate your timer? As you can see there are a lot of factors that need to be taken into consideration. 

Let me explain it like this. The whole reason for the 10 minute timer thing was originally put in place for two reasons.

1. Civs who were in police custody for ridiculous periods of time. Whether it was because you were restrained and left where you were or you were forgotten about for extended periods of time. As you were stuck in permanent restraints. It was not meant to be an excuse to log out after 10 minutes because you were salty that the cops got you or you didn't like the way they got you. 

2. Civs or cops who were restrained and being abused by other civs for ridiculous periods of time. There were issues with people being restrained against their will for over an hour and people being downed, over and over again for long periods of time. This 10 minute rule was put in place to help alleviate this issue. It was not meant for civs or cops to declare "you have 10 minutes" immediately after getting downed and restrained by civs and then going AFK for those 10 minutes.

Hope this helps.

So for the old cops here dont pull a Durga during a kidnapping.

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3 hours ago, Volunteer281 said:

Gray area 10 minute example. You and your gang get in a fight with the cops. You get downed and restrained pretty quickly into the fight. Does your ten minute timer start then? No. Your timer would not start until the cops had the ability to remove you from the fight scene.So the gray area for this (and why it's hard to determine/ban for and why we require a lengthy video) is well what determines being removed from the scene of the action? As soon as you got put in a car? As soon as they started driving away with you? What happens if a minute later some of your gang members ambush the cops escorting you away. Would that reset the timer? What about if when you are being processed at HQ your gang attacks and gets in a fight with the cops at the HQ. Would that negate your timer? As you can see there are a lot of factors that need to be taken into consideration. 

Let me explain it like this. The whole reason for the 10 minute timer thing was originally put in place for two reasons.

1. Civs who were in police custody for ridiculous periods of time. Whether it was because you were restrained and left where you were or you were forgotten about for extended periods of time. As you were stuck in permanent restraints. It was not meant to be an excuse to log out after 10 minutes because you were salty that the cops got you or you didn't like the way they got you. 

2. Civs or cops who were restrained and being abused by other civs for ridiculous periods of time. There were issues with people being restrained against their will for over an hour and people being downed, over and over again for long periods of time. This 10 minute rule was put in place to help alleviate this issue. It was not meant for civs or cops to declare "you have 10 minutes" immediately after getting downed and restrained by civs and then going AFK for those 10 minutes.

Hope this helps.

Yes it helps Ty. And these rules goes for the civ restraints also right? I mean like instead of cop it's a bounty hunter taking his time and using me as bait to get the rest of my gang members as they try and Rescue Me. After my friends are restrained and they start taking us to skip tracer it fell over the 10 min mark.

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On 5/9/2017 at 4:52 PM, bigjohn561 said:

Yes it helps Ty. And these rules goes for the civ restraints also right? I mean like instead of cop it's a bounty hunter taking his time and using me as bait to get the rest of my gang members as they try and Rescue Me. After my friends are restrained and they start taking us to skip tracer it fell over the 10 min mark.

Are you asking if they can disconnect after the bounty hunters leave your friends in the field?  That's a obvious no as the restraints will break after 10 minutes and they would no longer be restrained/need to disconnect to free themselves.  If you're asking whether you can disconnect, judging by Vols comments its a no as he said its only acceptable during times of abuse, its hardly abuse for them to restrain you, deal with your gang, and then take you to jail.

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2. Civs or cops who were restrained and being abused by other civs for ridiculous periods of time. There were issues with people being restrained against their will for over an hour and people being downed, over and over again for long periods of time. This 10 minute rule was put in place to help alleviate this issue. It was not meant for civs or cops to declare "you have 10 minutes" immediately after getting downed and restrained by civs and then going AFK for those 10 minutes.

 

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5 hours ago, HotWings said:

Are you asking if they can disconnect after the bounty hunters leave your friends in the field?  That's a obvious no as the restraints will break after 10 minutes and they would no longer be restrained/need to disconnect to free themselves.  If you're asking whether you can disconnect, judging by Vols comments its a no as he said its only acceptable during times of abuse, its hardly abuse for them to restrain you, deal with your gang, and then take you to jail.

 

........r u someone with power to ban? Ur not..  so I want a answer from @Volunteer281 tyvm

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Just now, Gnashes said:

You being restrained for longer than 10 minutes because your friends are trying to save you is not grounds to disconnect; even if you are downed and re-restrained.

1o minutes essentially starts from the end of whatever engagement is taking place. If you DCing prevents them from being able to arrest you within 10 minutes of defeating your friends who tried and failed to save you, it's safe to say your disconnecting is against what we want the server to be.

Ty @Gnashes yes I Alrdy knew the answer but I wanted it stated/typed all these grey areas sometimes gets annoying so I wanted to have it to go back on. B)

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If I see a landed helicopter, can I drive into it and blow it up? I would think that if nobody dies it is not VDM. :)

 

Edit: Question 2 - If I check a red zone as a CIV and see a truck can I ram it and flip it over if nobody is inside, to prevent them from taking it and leaving? :)

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1 hour ago, Clint Beastwood said:

How come when Gnashes tells you this you're ok with it, but when I tell you it, I'm wrong ?

 

:shrug:

Cuz ur a dick imo:Harambe: 

But @Gnashes has changed for the better on the forums imo...

Also gnashes wasn't the one that held a ban for a "grey area" 

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8 minutes ago, Clint Beastwood said:

Looks like I'm still wrong...

 

Thanks for the clarification @Gnashes

You're still missing the point it was not stated on any of the rules about this rule of the grey area. I was a victim of a grey area so I wanted it written down so I have something to go back on. If we have to follow rules by the way it is stated and then get banned because it was stated like that..  to hold a ban on someone that has  a good record when it was explained why... is a dick move but hey that's my opinion. 

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And I don't like u so I wanted a higher up to state the rule
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10 minutes ago, bigjohn561 said:

You're still missing the point it was not stated on any of the rules about this rule of the grey area. I was a victim of a grey area so I wanted it written down so I have something to go back on. If we have to follow rules by the way it is stated and then get banned because it was stated like that..  to hold a ban on someone that has  a good record when it was explained why... is a dick move but hey that's my opinion. 

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Administrators have the right to place bans for things that are not necessarily written that we feel to be toxic or threatening to the community.

In case you forgot to read all the rules.

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On 5/9/2017 at 0:18 PM, HomeTrlx said:

So for the old cops here dont pull a Durga during a kidnapping.

No no no sir. You are mistaken.

"The Durga" is not the act of logging out after ten minutes. it is right here in the Asylum Dictionary:

 

Durga

[Dur-Ga]

The act of becoming visibly frustrated with civilians after being kidnaped and threatening to "get an admin" after a civilian asked for a weapon which you wearn't supposed to have

Examples:

"Hey Bada, did you hear that Clint pulled a Durga on Axe"

-"Really?"

"Yea, he asked for his tan MX"

@Clint Beastwood :frog: 
 

 

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Just now, Axe said:

No no no sir. You are mistaken.

"The Durga" is not the act of logging out after ten minutes. it is right here in the Asylum Dictionary:

 

Durga

[Dur-Ga]

The act of becoming visibly frustrated with civilians after being kidnaped and threatening to "get an admin" after a civilian asked for a weapon which you wearn't supposed to have

Examples:

"Hey Bada, did you hear that Clint pulled a Durga on Axe"

-"Really?"

"Yea, he asked for his tan MX"

@Clint Beastwood :frog: 
 

 

You magnificent bastard.

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15 hours ago, Biground said:

If I see a landed helicopter, can I drive into it and blow it up? I would think that if nobody dies it is not VDM. :)

 

Question 2 - If I check a red zone as a CIV and see a truck can I ram it and flip it over if nobody is inside, to prevent them from taking it and leaving? :)

 

 

 

Question 1

IF ANY loss (life or monetary) is in direct result of any accident you can be banned for VDM.  Also with the physics of the Arma engine it is damn near impossible to guarantee no one would die.

 

Question 2

Again, if ANY loss is the direct result of any accident, you can be banned for VDM.  Doing exactly what you asked is using your vehicle as an offensive weapon.  You are attempting to disable a vehicle by hitting it, thus, being offensive weapon.  Also, how many times have you seen a car flipping through the air as a direct result of a low speed collision?  NOT recommended.

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Super Bumbi said:

I mean, there's the realism factor. No one's going to be an autistic cunt and hop out of a vehicle in the middle of someone spraying your vehicle while you're driving near and or at them.

Light rp

The answer and the ruling is no, you can't. If you wish to try this because its realistic, expect consequences. 

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On 5/12/2017 at 1:00 PM, Clint Beastwood said:

Question 1

IF ANY loss (life or monetary) is in direct result of any accident you can be banned for VDM.

 

 

What if the loss of life is from within your own car. So say you steal a car and somebody else hops in the passenger so out of spite you crash the car into a wall killing both you and the passenger. Would this be considered VDM?

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16 hours ago, Maaqs said:

Question:

I'm involved in a firefight at Skiptracer, get downed, restrained, and blindfolded. Enough time passes by that the players names are no longer red to me. Are those said players then allowed to execute me without any further RP?

Edit: I was not killed at Skiptracer/an illegal zone to my knowledge. 

They should give you a RP reason to kill you. Thats the polite thing to do to further RP situations on the server. However, once you are restrained you are at the mercy of your captors. You should RP for your digital life. 

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Just now, Tusken Raider said:

So you are saying if someone tells you to put your hands up, you do so and they restrain you they can drown you or drop you off a building killing you with no reason? If so that contradicts the new RP ruling as you comply they have to give you another RP reason as to why they are going to kill you. 

If they tell you hands up or die, and you put your hands up they need to have an RP reason right then to shoot you in the face yes. But once restrained you are their captive. They can throw you in a fire and sacrifice you to the fire god of Kavala, put you in a car with the windows up on a hot day, etc. 

You should always give RP though. Thats what makes the server fun. 

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Just now, Tusken Raider said:

So I just have to give some context as to why I'm putting you in the water or throwing you off a building I can't just not say a word after you put your hands up and do it?

Pretty much. You should always give RP. But you do not need to "initiate" after you have them restrained if that makes sense 

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On 6/14/2017 at 11:57 AM, Josh131313 said:

What if someone texts you and says "Get out and hands up or die" and you keep driving for a minute or two but you eventually stop and put your hands up. Can they kill you without fear?

If you continue driving after the initial initiation, yes they can kill you even if you get out and put your hands up. But only if it's under 5 minutes of the last text he sent. 

 

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4 hours ago, Ehngage said:

1. Is shooting tires a form of initiation or considered rdm? Assuming no texts have been sent and both parties haven't spoken. 

 

2.If I see a crime being  committed, am I aloud to intervene? example:  Player 1 tells player 2 to put their hands up in a normal robbery situation. Player 2 complies. Player 3 is not grouped with player 2 or player 1. Can player 3 shoot or down player 1 in an attempt to "save" player 2, assuming they heard the conversation initiating player 1 and 2? Or would player 3 need to still speak to player 1 before engaging?

1.- You will be able engaged with them but them not with you. This means that if your tires get shot, they will turn red fur you, thus making you able to kill them with out saying anything. If they want to kill you as soon as you hop out of the car they need to initiate (text/voice) with you. Keep in mind that at the moment you shoot back to them, both of you are engaged.

 

2.- You will need to initiate with player 1. If you plan on shooting someone ALWAYS initiate first, unless you are in a Red/Ilegal Zone.

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On 7/8/2017 at 2:28 PM, Sr_Sinful said:

Is telling someone to sing their abcs backwards while in restraints, them not being able to do it, and then killing them, allowed? Or similarly, is saying you're going to sacrifice someone to the concrete jungle gods or anything like that, make you able to kill someone in restraints. In general, can you kill someone you put in restraints without having to engage at all in rp. 

When you put people in restraints, they are your hostage and you can kill them anytime you want. When people have their hands up, you need to give a reason or RP with them to be able to kill them. So, them giving a reason like "I need to sacrifice you to the concrete jungle gods so that Altis can live on" is a good enough reason to kill them. You can even say things like "I have been killing people with a green shirt on, you have a green shirt so I am killing you".

 

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