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[Sneaky]

1 hour ago, El chapo said:

@Sneaky quick question so i like to move people from the cops and every time i grab someone from the cops just down me without initiation i wanted to know if that was rdm and i also wanted to know since they always just down me can i just grab someone and start killing cops.

 

   This falls under the same category as lockpicking a vehicle. When you lockpick you can be shot and right now when you escort/steal someone from custody you can be shot. No you cannot grab someone and just start shooting cops.

[Sneaky]

11 hours ago, bigjohn561 said:

Doesn't this fall under same thing as cop seeing someone doing something illegal like when a cop sees someone kill someone in front of him he still has to say APD stop or siren. I had a friend get banned for it.

   Those 2 actions have always been treated in this manner since I started playing on asylum. Lockpicking a vehicle and escorting someone in police restraints will likely result in you being shot by a cop. This means you should be more tactful in your approach to both scenarios. However, cops should always strive to use their primary weapon in all instances when dealing with civilians. When in doubt, RP it out!

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Tusken Raider said:

So if you lockpick a police vehicle with no cops around start taking off they run outside and shoot you is or is not allowed?

They get messages saying its being lockpicked. If they are not standing right there, and they look out the window and see their car driving off its within 5 minutes.

[Sneaky]

5 hours ago, Frizzy said:

 

These are cop problems and should be discussed with APD higher ups.

[Tusken Raider]

Why did my post get deleted when it was answered with a feature not in the game?  If cops do not have eye contact or the alarm talent do they have to initiate with you lock picking their car?

[boomheadshot69]

are we allowed to restrain people without saying a word. so if im  a bh and can restrain my bounty i can do it wihout initiating to arrest him?

[Erik]

Can you initiate through AAN World News?

[Guest]

50 minutes ago, Ray. said:

My question is about picking weapon lying on the ground right next to officers dead body. Is this an exploit or something against the rules? I've been told that is considered as an exploit If you're picking it while officer is logging off or he's logging/suiciding on purpose so civ can grab that gun. But my question is only about when there's a dead body (know that the second scenario would be considered as an exploit). Thanks

How it's set up is that the items disappear when dropped, the intent here is that you can not pick it up. There is sometimes a delay before it cleans up, this not intentional and I would discourage you from making it a point to beat the clock.

[Guest]

On 10/11/2016 at 10:28 AM, boomheadshot69 said:

what about cops? i've reported cops for doing this and nothing happens. no sirens, no verbal warning. just walked up to and restrained.

Officers should explain why they are restraining you. Such as responding to an incident and restraining you for their safety. There should be some sort of role play involved. If you were restrained without explanation talk to a higher up or file an IA Report.

[Dredge]

On 11/21/2016 at 9:46 PM, boomheadshot69 said:

are we allowed to log into other peoples houses? example, if we know a house belongs to someone and we log out of the house on another server and log into the server the person owns it on?

another question pertaining to first one. can we do that to get someones stuff taken. example, say im wanted for 300k and log in and chill in someones house that has 3 large crates and i get a apb and i fight acting like its my house so the cops end up raiding the house and taking all the illegal items that might be in the crate.

You are technically ghosting at that point. Using the database system to give yourself an advantage. Also using it to get someone elses stuff seized would be considered an exploit as well because you didnt make entry in a legitimate way. Now, if you happened to make it into their house through the unlocked door(s) and they locked you inside then fair game, because you walked through the door. But ghosting in is a no no. 

On 11/29/2016 at 8:56 PM, Maverick Drift said:

So, if you are in a shooting with a guy, and say that you lose the fight and the other guy downs you and then proceed to restrain you, after that without saying anything he escorts you to the edge of a building and drops you so you die, what is this considered? is it ok?

 

@Sneaky

 

That is considered a lesson in gravity Yes it is ok. At that point you are at their mercy and you should try to RP to have them spare your life.

[Sneaky]

On 12/15/2016 at 11:39 AM, Maverick Drift said:

i understand but this doesn't goes against the rule that you need to find another reason after the people complied to kill them? the question i made i am also reffering when they take you hostage after "hands up or die" and they just drop you from a building and kill you. Then basically this is a much better way to kill people as you wont get a 5k bounty for murder and still pick up everything they had, just get 1.5k bounty for kidnapping

Hey bud sorry i didn't reply earlier! Had a lot of stuff going on IRL =P

   So in your previously described situation it sounded like you lost a gun fight and then he decided to drop you off of a building. This is OK because it is within the same scenario. If we are shooting each other and I down you then I may try to find a creative way to kill you (provided I don't have a lethal firearm).

   The only time when you need to find a reason to kill someone is when they comply with your demands. If I say "hands up" and you comply then I must find a new reason to kill you. If I say "hands up" and we get into a shootout then I can down you and throw you off of a building because you did not comply. Dropping people from a building is a semi creative way to kill and it gives you a different bounty. This is great for changing up the RP when cops eventually catch up to you! =D

   Feel free to PM me with any further questions about this =)

 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, saeyo_prayers said:

Let's say I am in a boxtruck, on my way back to the phosphorus mine I have been grinding out to make a little cash.. a helicopter comes flying up extremely low almost blocking my path.. So, I turn around and start heading back towards the garage I just came from, knowing they are up to no good and were trying to rob me. Sure enough, I get a text from them saying "OUT OR DIE". I, instead, make a run for it back to the garage. They are chasing me, naturally. I actually make it by some miracle. So, when I run in to store my truck, I turn around to shoot at them trying to land near me.
They then kill me, of course, take my stuff, then send threatening calls and texts telling me to compensate them for shooting at them or I will be reported and banned for shooting at them and storing my vehicle while initiated...

I have not read anywhere on here I cannot store my vehicle while I am being chased by violent criminals. Also, the way I understood the rules, when they initiated me by both chase and text messages letting me know of their intent...I can shoot. If I were to stop and send a text message back, by sitting still for too long I am dead and I have a right to defend myself, as I would irl. Or, am I mistaken?

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[Guest]

On 12/7/2016 at 2:35 PM, Skinjob said:

@Olio

If I'm a Bounty Hunter, and I tell my mark to put his hands up, can he just engage me without responding? 

In other words, does telling my mark to put his hands up allow him to shoot me immediately without talking?

If you created a hostile interaction he can engage you.

[Guest]

50 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

If I am on cop and I have somebody restrained, is it considered a hostile action (initation) if someone were to come and escort him away?

If it was their gang/group mate and its clear by being red I'd say it's fair to down them, but if its a random, then initiate by telling them to drop them.

[Volunteer281]

1 hour ago, Google™ said:

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving you shoot him... Is that RDM?
Cop says "APD Stop" and instead of stopping you shoot him... Is that RDM?
Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving HQ you just sit there saying no and running around, so he decides to shoot you... Is that RDM?
Cop says "APD Stop" and instead of stopping you just keep running, the cop then decides to down you... Is that RDM?

Do cops have to use hostile initiation like it says in the gameplay rules thread?

@Olio @Volunteer281
 

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving you shoot him... Is that RDM? Yes, that would be RDM as you described. Simply asking someone to leave HQ is not considered hostile initiation. Had the officer said "APD leave HQ or you will be shot/downed or restrained" then it would be ok to shoot him if you didn't want to leave.

Cop says "APD Stop" and instead of stopping you shoot him... Is that RDM? No that would not be RDM as you described. "APD stop" is considered hostile initiation.

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving HQ you just sit there saying no and running around, so he decides to shoot you... Is that RDM? No that would not be RDM as you described. If the officer asked you to leave the HQ and you told him no then he would have the right to shoot/down or restrain you for disobeying a direct order.

Cop says "APD Stop" and instead of stopping you just keep running, the cop then decides to down you... Is that RDM? No that would not be RDM as you described. Just like above if the officer gave you direct order to stop and you disobeyed him, then he would be within his right to shoot/down or restrain you. 

Do cops have to use hostile initiation like it says in the gameplay rules thread? All players regardless of faction need to adhere to the server rules. 

[Sneaky]

4 hours ago, Roicesb said:

Are car accidents considered initiation?

I'm talking about random accidents as most car accidents aren't intentional.  Not during pursuit, or while initiated with a group. Purely random. 

I was told by some rebels that if an officer runs into their car that they can get out and kill the cops. They said that they were told by admins that if they have a big bounty and illegal weapons and an officer runs into their car that they are now initiated and they can shoot us but we as officers would still have to initiate before shooting them. That makes absolutely no sense to me, because how is an officer suppose to know that that car has wanted and armed individuals in it?

 

In general NO car accidents are not in and of itself initiation.

Now in the past there have been instances of a wanted player and a cop getting into a car accident at random. In this situation it really is unfair for both sides and we have had instances of the wanted player shooting the cop. I'd love to see the cop just let the wanted person go or cut them a bunch of slack. If the wanted person kills the cop then they PROBABLY won't be banned for it. HOWEVER this situation can cause some extremely toxic gameplay and if looks like people are trying to abuse this in any way then there will be consequences. This situation falls under the "dont be crappy to other players" clause.

[Sneaky]

10 hours ago, Drift said:

Can virtual inventory items (not main inventory), such as food and drugs, be transferred into a vehicle? 

If so, how can it be done?

T if you have keys toa  vehicle will let you access the trunk

[Sneaky]

On 1/6/2017 at 1:25 PM, bigjohn561 said:

@Sneaky I'm confused at ur answers... So ur saying if APD says leave HQ and u say no, he is allowed to down u.. But if he says leave HQ and u down him that's considered rdm .. How is that fair game play?

@Volunteer281 Will have to clarify for you.

On 1/6/2017 at 1:35 PM, William Krieger said:

I was told by a police officer "BaDaBing_10-8 The Invisible" that "Offroading gives them probable cause to search."  I've looked into the rules and it says that we need to be offroading AND not have an RP reason for doing so.

In this scenario I said we were going to check out a mountain top, as to why we were offroading.  That, or me saying, oh were are looking for my friends car, wouldn't that be proper RP, and therefore not give them probable cause?

Now in this scenario I also had a 1k bounty on me, which I suppose is what gave him probable cause other than the offroading.  I know it says you also need to be on the wanted list but im not sure how that works. 

I do have video of this event if you want to see it i can share it.

I'm not trying to go after the police officer, or cause trouble I just would like some clarification because the office only stated offroading was enough.

Thank you for any info

W.K.

Ummm this mostly falls under the APD guidelines and protocol. What I will say is that it is an officers discretion as they wont just accept bare minimum excuses. Your experiences may vary as a result.

[Volunteer281]

On 1/6/2017 at 1:25 PM, bigjohn561 said:

@Sneaky I'm confused at ur answers... So ur saying if APD says leave HQ and u say no, he is allowed to down u.. But if he says leave HQ and u down him that's considered rdm .. How is that fair game play?

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving you shoot him... Is that RDM? Yes, that would be RDM as you described. Simply asking someone to leave HQ is not considered hostile initiation. Had the officer said "APD leave HQ or you will be shot/downed or restrained" then it would be ok to shoot him if you didn't want to leave.

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving HQ you just sit there saying no and running around, so he decides to shoot you... Is that RDM? No that would not be RDM as you described. If the officer asked you to leave the HQ and you told him no then he would have the right to shoot/down or restrain you for disobeying a direct order.

[bigjohn561]

2 hours ago, Volunteer281 said:

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving you shoot him... Is that RDM? Yes, that would be RDM as you described. Simply asking someone to leave HQ is not considered hostile initiation. Had the officer said "APD leave HQ or you will be shot/downed or restrained" then it would be ok to shoot him if you didn't want to leave.

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving HQ you just sit there saying no and running around, so he decides to shoot you... Is that RDM? No that would not be RDM as you described. If the officer asked you to leave the HQ and you told him no then he would have the right to shoot/down or restrain you for disobeying a direct order.

so rdm for the civ to shoot but not rdm for the cop to shoot.. got ty for replying. @Volunteer281

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3 hours ago, Volunteer281 said:

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving you shoot him... Is that RDM? Yes, that would be RDM as you described. Simply asking someone to leave HQ is not considered hostile initiation. Had the officer said "APD leave HQ or you will be shot/downed or restrained" then it would be ok to shoot him if you didn't want to leave.

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving HQ you just sit there saying no and running around, so he decides to shoot you... Is that RDM? No that would not be RDM as you described. If the officer asked you to leave the HQ and you told him no then he would have the right to shoot/down or restrain you for disobeying a direct order.

That isn't very fair.

[Tusken Raider]

3 hours ago, Volunteer281 said:

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving you shoot him... Is that RDM? Yes, that would be RDM as you described. Simply asking someone to leave HQ is not considered hostile initiation. Had the officer said "APD leave HQ or you will be shot/downed or restrained" then it would be ok to shoot him if you didn't want to leave.

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving HQ you just sit there saying no and running around, so he decides to shoot you... Is that RDM? No that would not be RDM as you described. If the officer asked you to leave the HQ and you told him no then he would have the right to shoot/down or restrain you for disobeying a direct order.

So if the cop asks me to leave HQ and I tell him no can I shoot him then since he can shoot me once I say it?

[Budbringer]

5 minutes ago, Tusken Raider said:

So if the cop asks me to leave HQ and I tell him no can I shoot him then since he can shoot me once I say it?

Tell him, whats gonna happen if I dont, he answer Il restrain you(or something like that) and you shoot him. Since then he have told you to either leave or be restrained

[boomheadshot69]

23 hours ago, Budbringer said:

Tell him, whats gonna happen if I dont, he answer Il restrain you(or something like that) and you shoot him. Since then he have told you to either leave or be restrained

what if the cop says " leave or i will have to escort you out". is that means enough to shoot? he is not saying he will restrain you but you know that is what he means by it.

[Demon_Of_Legends]

Suppose I'm in kavala and a guy has jacked my ride and is now driveing away. It's rdm to shoot right?

[Mike Stmria]

2 hours ago, Xilvius said:

Just wanted to know if i buy a big truck to haul stuff in, can people steal my truck from me permanently? 

Also, are characters and houses, ect, share across the asylum servers?

Sorry in advance for the noob questions, just trying to learn as much as i can today from the forums while at work. Thanks!

1. No, they can steal it and chop it (If they chop it it would be gone from your garage and they will get some money for that) If they don't chop it, it would be back to your garage after server restarts/it despawn/it gets impounded by the police

2.  All your data syncs across the 5 servers. Houses are owned per server, you can have up to 5 houses + gang house on each server

 

1 hour ago, Mjac150 said:

Can you please make it clear to people camping drug runners that they cannot shoot unless we are in the 50m radius? People seem to think that just because we are in the plane means its kos. I have been shot down before just because i was in the plane. Its bs. Pls help lmao

If you have evidence of this happening make a player report. That's the best way to ensure that people know the rules.

[Mike Stmria]

On 16/01/2017 at 4:10 AM, Dissonance said:

If a cop pulls up in a red zone, say, heroin processing...he pulls up and despawns his car (well, impounds his own vehicle) and tries to go hide behind the building where you process...he is fair game, correct? No need to initiate RP?

 

Is a RedZone for everyone, they are KoS if they are within the proper range of each zone. In Red Zones RDM rules don't apply. But officers should always announce themselves unless Undercover.

[Destrah]

On 1/1/2017 at 2:48 PM, Volunteer281 said:

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving you shoot him... Is that RDM? Yes, that would be RDM as you described. Simply asking someone to leave HQ is not considered hostile initiation. Had the officer said "APD leave HQ or you will be shot/downed or restrained" then it would be ok to shoot him if you didn't want to leave.

Cop says "APD Stop" and instead of stopping you shoot him... Is that RDM? No that would not be RDM as you described. "APD stop" is considered hostile initiation.

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving HQ you just sit there saying no and running around, so he decides to shoot you... Is that RDM? No that would not be RDM as you described. If the officer asked you to leave the HQ and you told him no then he would have the right to shoot/down or restrain you for disobeying a direct order.

Cop says "APD Stop" and instead of stopping you just keep running, the cop then decides to down you... Is that RDM? No that would not be RDM as you described. Just like above if the officer gave you direct order to stop and you disobeyed him, then he would be within his right to shoot/down or restrain you. 

Do cops have to use hostile initiation like it says in the gameplay rules thread? All players regardless of faction need to adhere to the server rules. 

Would "APD holster the firearm" be the same as "APD leave HQ" or "APD stop"?

[Sneaky]

18 hours ago, Berus said:

1. - If someone VDM me and i shoot at them without initiation can this be considered RDM ?
(Considering the guy is trying or hitting me/other people multiple times)

2. - What if i have my bounty target under custody, but for some reason i get disconnected, when i get back can i try to get his bounty again so i can arrest him ?

1) WHEW DOGGY! I would ALWAYS say to initiate even if you suspect another player is breaking server rules. We have had plenty of people on the servers misunderstand rules which led to conflict. Just cover yourself and make sure to initiate.

2) Yes you can try and get his bounty again to arrest him. You may want to re initiate RP before downing just to be on the safe side!

2 hours ago, ABDUWALI TKUMBE said:

Whose responsibility is it for a clear statement of intention?

I ask because people seem to like initiating at the edge of voice range, or with their volume turned down, so you can't clearly hear them. Can you shoot in such cases? Or should you just find cover and ask what they are doing?

That's not necessarily practical though because I've been initiated on in the open before by someone who was either muttering or at the edge of voice.

 

It is the responsibility of the aggressor to initiate hostile intent before taking any action. As a potential victim you have the choice to defend yourself immediately or trying to get their intentions. In my experience most people will just kill you so do one of the following:

1) Drop that player and then proceed to tea bag him/her for terrible initiation. This helps you establish dominance by showing your tactical skill and control over an unexpected situation. You can also say "this is for sneaky" because im not a fan of minimal RP.

2) If you are able to record (shadowplay or actively recording with OBS) then you can just take the RDM on the chin and submit a player report later on. It is important to note that if we take action you may receive compensation for your gear/loadout. But this is only if we take action! =)

19 hours ago, Destrah said:

Would "APD holster the firearm" be the same as "APD leave HQ" or "APD stop"?

Let me have a discussion with volunteer to make sure that we are on the same page. I do not want to create confusion between what I say and what he has already posted on this discussion. It is definitely a tricky area so I will try and come up with a simpler definition so we don't go through every "APD says X" scenario. The goal of this thread is to provide clarity for the player without a convoluted explanation. Anything I say at this point may just cause confusion. *TLDR this response will be delayed pending a discussion*

[Guest]

1 hour ago, rabbit said:

Do you need initiation to shoot someone's vehicle/tires?

If they're not in it vs if they're driving?

You do not need to initiate to simply shoot out tires, if you hit and kill/down the player this would be deemed RDM.

[BlackShot]

1. Guidebook says/said vehicles are an extent of their owners; therefore, if a person steals your vehicle he/she would be technically robbing you, which should mean they are initiated with you. Following this logic, if someone lock-picks my vehicle and drives away with it, am I able to shoot the driver? If it's a hatchback sport I wouldn't be able to initiate in a timely manner anyway.

2. If someone points a gun at my car and tells me "get out", is he/she initiated? What if the gun is not pointed or the guy is only there to initiate for his group (so he's got no gun), does that change anything? Let me know if I need to clarify it more.

3. SCENARIO: Somebody has previously been killed by me. This person comes back and starts chasing me in a hatchback sport, full speed. We both pull out of the car and he has a gun, but he holsters it as soon as he sees he's outnumbered, so he complies with our demands. Would the fact that he was chasing us be enough to kill him, even complying with our commands? If not, can you give examples on how to kill him quickly, 'cause we know he had bad intentions and we don't want him to live? For example, would I be able to say "my religion doesn't allow me to let masked people live" and kill him next? (Sorry, first thing that came to my mind, only as a matter of example. )

Edited January 22, 2017 by BlackShot

[Volunteer281]

16 hours ago, henky said:

If you are in a car crash with another car (rebels or cops ) can you start shooting them ?

15 hours ago, Sean That Irish Guy said:

This needs to clarified^^

I have been told that if a cop hits you and you are wanted/illegal weapon you can shoot them because its a situation that you cannot RP out of.

@Olio @Volunteer281 @bamf

The official ruling on this... you would still need to initiate RP with the people in a car crash before you can shoot them. 

[Sneaky]

11 minutes ago, Volunteer281 said:

The official ruling on this you would still need to initiate RP with the people in a car crash before you can shoot them. 

Wow we finally left the stone age!

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Bunni said:

If I shoot someones tires and their names turn red, do I still have to initiate? 

The way the system should work is they won't turn red to you, but you do to them. 

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Chrollo Lucifer said:

Can cops be punished for "rdm"? @Olio I was just getting a car from the garage and then a cop downed and restrained me after saying nothing (I was not initated with the cops at all. I then crashed and lost a black MX, ghille, tac vest and all that, very pissed

 

Anyone that breaks a server rule is held to the same standard.

[BlackShot]

Just now, Olio said:

Anyone that breaks a server rule is held to the same standard.

Would you mind answering my last post in this topic?

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Chau said:

We all know that racism is not tolerated on asylum, neither in direct/vehicle communication or sidechat, but can use of racist words in your own gangs group chat result in a racism ban? You know the people you talk/type with, and have probably known them for a long time. They are comfortable with the way you communicate and your choice of words, compared to sidechat, where up to 99 other people may be offended by your choice of words. In conclusion, is an admin searching through weeks of old chat logs, looking for keywords such as "nigger", good to ban that guy, even though no player report was made and he was in his own gangs groupchat?

Example

@Sneaky @Volunteer281 @Olio

Racism is not tolerated in any fashion, not in any form of chat in-game, the forums or TS. Anyone found being racist will result in action taken against them. We are not necessarily digging through logs just to catch a guy who said something a month ago, but if it was reported we do look at logs to verify.

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Noble said:

Say I have keys to a friends vehicle and a random civ starts lockpicking that vehicle, may I shoot that civ on sight as he is lock picking it or do I have to initiate? I understand if I'm the owner of the vehicle, then I may shoot but I'm not sure about this scenario

If you see someone stealing a car that belongs to you, even if you gave keys to someone. You can still take action as the vehicle is technically yours.

[Guest]

After talking with Volunteer and other admins; vaulting through a window is considered an exploit and should NOT be done.

[WilliamS]

Just now, Olio said:

After talking Volunteer and other admins; vaulting through a window is considered an exploit and should NOT be done.

Even windows that don't have any glass and the house is not locked? By no glass I mean the stone houses.