Explanicide Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) I think Bounty Hunters and Undercover cops are killing the game, Rebels no longer can recognize whose an undercover cop, a bounty hunter, or a rebel. Everyone gets downed more than being killed. Cops were always simple because you can identify them, but with undercover cop playing as rebel how can you identify that as to a bounty hunter or rebel? If they really want to go out into the fields and do rebel stuff they should play bounty hunter or be a Rebel. Undercover Cops should be removed or more restricted, I have seen them camping Rebel Outposts collecting paychecks to camp and take away fun from rebels. There's no voice as a weapon but instead they're trigger happy when you see them camping. They don't roleplay their rolls as an undercover because it's such secrecy. As Roleplay is the definition of playing a role, what roles does an undercover cop play? An officer who doesn't speak but blend with rebels or a bounty hunter who is on a payroll blending with Rebels, very little chance it is a Rebel that is your friend or enemy.. Where can you fix the confusion? How can you be aware? You can't. I've been playing Asylum for awhile and I see more bounty hunters than I do of Rebels, More Bounty Hunters than Cops, Heck even more bounty hunters than the entire server. Bounty Hunters are always abused, Cops give them an easy ticket out of their abusive powers. I always see bounty hunters downing and restraining people and running to the court house to just pay off ticket. They never lose their license and continue to demoralize the Asylum community. As many of us would admit to, Rebels are dying. Robberies, Federal Reserves, Gang wars, Cartels, Prison breaks, it's all falling apart and serving no purpose. Nobody wants to partake in any events because not only will they confront cops like they used to, but now they confront bounty hunters, cops, and rebels. And the numbers of Bounty Hunters will continue to kill the fun of "end game" life in Asylum. I'm calling out for a nerf to Bounty Hunters, and I'm calling out for restrictions for playing undercover cop. Such as to pursue "an investigation" which is more fitting for their roles. They usually camped at rebel outpost or driving into gun fights pretending to be your friend and then tazing you. When you hear the sirens you look around for police uniformed officers but instead it's that rebel geared coward who is playing undercover and you can't even identify it's APD. You wouldn't shoot a Rebel when you hear sirens because that's RDM (never engaged with the player), so how do you identify it's a Cop? You can't so the cop with a rebel illusion will down you. Since the forums and the Asylum Community is usually full of demoralizing trolls, I'm calling out for a productive and reasonable discussion with common thought and intelligence. If you disagree with my post, post your arguments and explain it thoroughly. If you can't explain your argument then you shouldn't post anything. But I'm hoping for those who have the tools to make Asylum better will fully understand my post. @Gnashes @Paratus @Motown Edited May 26, 2017 by Explanicide Ghouh likes this Link to comment
Gen. Henry Arnold Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Explanicide said: long rant post @Gnashes @Paratus @Motown Speaking from experience on S2, I never see UC cops "camp" rebel outposts. For an UC to enter a rebel outpost, they need to be taken by another civilian. If there happens to be a ping, you'll see regular cops show up usually. The point of an UC is to blend in, and many seasoned players know how to check player lists to break cover. I've been both rebel and bounty hunter, part of a gang of rebels though, and I do Robberies, Federal Reserves, Gang wars, Cartels, Prison breaks(who does those?). Roll in a group (I've seen you alone many times), watch your surroundings, and trust no one. The MX is a clear giveaway of a regular bounty hunter. What do you suggest, that all BH and UC wear a bright orange vest? Edited May 26, 2017 by Gen. Henry Arnold Link to comment
Explanicide Posted May 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) Undercover cop sneaked into Rebel outpost with no sirens or voice and downed me when I just bought an RPG and I was talking to my gang mates inside bunker. He was an undercover and he said "he put trackers on the ATM's" when we withdrew money so he came in with 3 cops. We weren't in pursuit we spawned in a gang house and ran to rebel and got busted 5 minutes later. Neither of us were in any area outside of the Rebel Outpost Vicinity. Edited May 26, 2017 by Explanicide Link to comment
wubz house account Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 So you and a friend let 4 cops sneak into rebel and down you? Literally sounds like you guys don't know what you're doing? Morgan Echo, Norwegianviking, smellypig and 4 others like this Link to comment
Bandit Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 One talent that any cops can get (Not just undercover) is being able to see whenever a criminal accesses an ATM, just like bounty hunters. Link to comment
Gen. Henry Arnold Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just now, Explanicide said: Undercover cop sneaked into Rebel outpost with no sirens or voice and downed me when I just bought an RPG and I was talking to my gang mates inside bunker. He was an undercover and he said "he put trackers on the ATM's" when we withdrew money so he came in with 3 cops. We weren't in pursuit we spawned in a gang house and ran to rebel and got busted 5 minutes later. Neither of us were in any area outside of the Rebel Outpost Vicinity. The rebel outpost is a illegal area, a red zone, and a KOS area. It's not meant to be a safe haven. Even fellow rebels will kill you. Use tac comms, clear the outpost and towers, have people watch the entrances and not have everyone buy at once. Vhantom likes this Link to comment
Explanicide Posted May 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just now, wubz house account said: So you and a friend let 4 cops sneak into rebel and down you? Literally sounds like you guys don't know what you're doing? How does this post contribute to the topic? Go drink bleach Link to comment
Explanicide Posted May 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just now, Bandit said: One talent that any cops can get (Not just undercover) is being able to see whenever a criminal accesses an ATM, just like bounty hunters. Is ATM ping in Rebel Outposts probable cause to infiltrate Rebel outpost and taze players? Link to comment
Steve Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 In my 2 years on Asylum I don't believe I was ever arrested as a result of not knowing who was an undercover and who was a civ. Just check the player list here and there and you won't have a problem. GravL likes this Link to comment
Gen. Henry Arnold Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) Just now, Explanicide said: Is ATM ping in Rebel Outposts probable cause to infiltrate Rebel outpost and taze players? Yes it is, any ping in any illegal area allows cops to enter or return to the area. Check the APD guidebook for your civilian rights: http://wiki.gaming-asylum.com/Patrolling Edited May 26, 2017 by Gen. Henry Arnold Steve likes this Link to comment
Steve Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just now, Gen. Henry Arnold said: Yes it is, any ping in any illegal area allows cops to enter or return to the area. Link to comment
Explanicide Posted May 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 The discussion is about nerfing Undercover Cops and the fact that Bounty Hunters are overpopulated. It's not about how the APD approached the Rebel Outpost. Red and Bold just for you to READ Link to comment
Explanicide Posted May 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just now, Gen. Henry Arnold said: Yes it is, any ping in any illegal area allows cops to enter or return to the area. Check the APD guidebook for your civilian rights: http://wiki.gaming-asylum.com/Patrolling Ok thanks, I'll be sure to charge into Rebel outpost next time I'm playing Constable. Link to comment
wubz house account Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just now, Explanicide said: How does this post contribute to the topic? Go drink bleach Okay then. I will contribute to the post. Undercover cops, nor bounty hunters are an issue in the game. If you're to fucking dumb to see a guy with a tan MX in his hands or a Black MX in his hands, with a black/blue Tac Vest that says police on it, then you shouldn't be a rebel as you're fucking blind and normally rebels need their eyes irl to know whats happening around them. Granted I've seen some blind people actually play this game. (Example: @Cory B and his gang or The Dogs." Now if you or a friend are standing at rebel outpost and both of you are buying items at once and no ones keeping guard, you're both fucking stupid. MOST cops, and I use the term literally, do not "camp" rebel. There are some that do it and they don't get in trouble because the APD hierarchy is a literal fucking joke, although I do not believe it happens that much to you as a person to where you should be crying about them almost being removed. bC420 and Bishop like this Link to comment
Explanicide Posted May 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just now, wubz house account said: Okay then. I will contribute to the post. Undercover cops, nor bounty hunters are an issue in the game. If you're to fucking dumb to see a guy with a tan MX in his hands or a Black MX in his hands, with a black/blue Tac Vest that says police on it, then you shouldn't be a rebel as you're fucking blind and normally rebels need their eyes irl to know whats happening around them. Granted I've seen some blind people actually play this game. (Example: @Cory B and his gang or The Dogs." Now if you or a friend are standing at rebel outpost and both of you are buying items at once and no ones keeping guard, you're both fucking stupid. MOST cops, and I use the term literally, do not "camp" rebel. There are some that do it and they don't get in trouble because the APD hierarchy is a literal fucking joke, although I do not believe it happens that much to you as a person to where you should be crying about them almost being removed. As two nakeds, how do you stand guard defenseless? Is there an argument or are you talking about how stupid people are. You're a demoralizing cockroach with no rational thought, go back to chugging your jug of bleach. Link to comment
Gen. Henry Arnold Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Explanicide said: Ok thanks, I'll be sure to charge into Rebel outpost next time I'm playing Constable. You asked about the atm ping, so you got an answer. You still need 2 cops to enter rebel, and any ping. So charge away. As for nerfing UC, the point of UC is to blend in, pretend, trick civilians. Thats how the role works. Have you ever heard of the UC operations done by federal agents? If there's too many BH, join a bigger group gang, get better guns, think strategically, don't run around with large bounties. It's crime you're doing, its not meant to be a hold your hand activity. Edited May 26, 2017 by Gen. Henry Arnold Link to comment
wubz house account Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just now, Explanicide said: As two nakeds, how do you stand guard defenseless? Is there an argument or are you talking about how stupid people are. You're a demoralizing cockroach with no rational thought, go back to chugging your jug of bleach. Lmfao. So since you're braindead here's some tips. One guy stands outside while one gets geared and says things like "Oh no ones here, you're okay to gear up." or "Someone is here, get a pistol or a rifle as fast as possible" Once the first person gears up, he stands watch fully kitted and waits for his friend Do the exact same thing as above, except the first person buys a rook, which literally takes 5 seconds. 12 minutes ago, Explanicide said: spawned in a gang house and ran to rebel and got busted 5 minutes later. Don't sit at rebel for 5 fucking minutes you stupid fuck. Bishop and Vhantom like this Link to comment
Steve Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just now, Explanicide said: As two nakeds, how do you stand guard defenseless? Is there an argument or are you talking about how stupid people are. You're a demoralizing cockroach with no rational thought, go back to chugging your jug of bleach. One gears while the other sits on the tower telling the guy who is gearing if anyone comes close, if anyone drives in or whatever the case is he buys his gun and mags if he hasn't to go kill them. Link to comment
Steve Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just now, wubz house account said: Don't sit at rebel for 5 fucking minutes you stupid fuck. @Explanicide One way ticket to getting your shit pushed in when you are being careless at rebel. Link to comment
Explanicide Posted May 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 If you really want to help people go to the support thread, I'm making a valid point about Bounty Hunters. Link to comment
Steve Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just now, Explanicide said: If you really want to help people go to the support thread, I'm making a valid point about Bounty Hunters. I think he is trying to give harsh but what is actually honest advice on how to deal with the problems you are having. I play quite a bit and I have yet to have any kind of issue regarding what you originally posted. Link to comment
wubz house account Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just now, Explanicide said: If you really want to help people go to the support thread, I'm making a valid point about Bounty Hunters. You're crying about Undercover cops and bounty hunters catching your stupid ass at rebel. We're literally telling you how to avoid this. Can you read? Silver-Spy likes this Link to comment
Explanicide Posted May 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, wubz house account said: You're crying about Undercover cops and bounty hunters catching your stupid ass at rebel. We're literally telling you how to avoid this. Can you read? You're a miserable piece of shit, go take your medicine. Link to comment
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IAmLegion Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, Explanicide said: You're a miserable piece of shit, go take your medicine. sorry? and you want to be taken serious. this topic cuts nothing pleas cloos Link to comment
Seán That Irish Guy Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 TL:DR I bought something expensive in rebel and got fucked so now ima rant on the forums because im mad that im shit. bC420, Hanzo/Dirty Scrubz, Maaqs and 4 others like this Link to comment
Eric916 Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Explanicide said: Undercover cop sneaked into Rebel outpost with no sirens or voice and downed me when I just bought an RPG and I was talking to my gang mates inside bunker. He was an undercover and he said "he put trackers on the ATM's" when we withdrew money so he came in with 3 cops. We weren't in pursuit we spawned in a gang house and ran to rebel and got busted 5 minutes later. Neither of us were in any area outside of the Rebel Outpost Vicinity. Why is you gang mate keeping rebel locked down while you bought an RPG? 43 minutes ago, wubz house account said: Okay then. I will contribute to the post. Undercover cops, nor bounty hunters are an issue in the game. If you're to fucking dumb to see a guy with a tan MX in his hands or a Black MX in his hands, with a black/blue Tac Vest that says police on it, then you shouldn't be a rebel as you're fucking blind and normally rebels need their eyes irl to know whats happening around them. Granted I've seen some blind people actually play this game. (Example: @Cory B and his gang or The Dogs." Now if you or a friend are standing at rebel outpost and both of you are buying items at once and no ones keeping guard, you're both fucking stupid. MOST cops, and I use the term literally, do not "camp" rebel. There are some that do it and they don't get in trouble because the APD hierarchy is a literal fucking joke, although I do not believe it happens that much to you as a person to where you should be crying about them almost being removed. I agree with everything except the thing about the dogs since honestly wubz we kill you on the rare occasion you try to fight us and you forgot an end bracket. Edited May 26, 2017 by Eric916 Link to comment
Jaylen Sarrett Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Explanicide said: but with undercover cop playing as rebel how can you identify that as to a bounty hunter or rebel? that's the fucking point...... lol, so, your complaint is that undercover cop is working as intended... Link to comment
Jaylen Sarrett Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Explanicide said: As many of us would admit to, Rebels are dying. Robberies, Federal Reserves, Gang wars, Cartels, Prison breaks, it's all falling apart and serving no purpose. Nobody wants to partake in any events because not only will they confront cops like they used to, but now they confront bounty hunters, cops, and rebels. "rebel is to hard for me now, plox make it ez dad, i jst wnt to kill cadets with muh mk..." Jeeeezus, yes, with the addition of BH's, it certainly will be more of a challenge to run around and get ez frags... Get over it, rebel was boring before, no real risk in doing anything.... it's far better now.... fact Link to comment
Lightningxo Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 i guess there will Always be a guy complaining right xD Link to comment
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wubz house account Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 2 hours ago, Eric916 said: y wubz we kill you on the rare occasion you try to fight us I uh, I'm not to sure about that. Link to comment
GravL Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Just do what I do. If I suspect there is a UC, I just check the player list. And for bounty hunters, it's pretty easy as most of the time they will have an MX, sting, po7, or trg Link to comment
Manolo Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Regualr Cops, BH and UC cops are all great for gutting! Link to comment
Nicolas March Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 There is only one problem I have with undercover, if your iniated with a cop they can shot you and you have no way to know unless you see that they are red Link to comment
Midamaru Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 5 hours ago, Explanicide said: Undercover Cops should be removed or more restricted, I have seen them camping Rebel Outposts collecting paychecks to camp and take away fun from rebels. I've played Asylum for idk how long anymore but in the time i've played i've never seen a UC cop camp a rebel outpost. Not on cop or civ, i know LT's are allowed ridiculous things, but if they abuse their powers and you report them with valid proof then it's RIP for them. Link to comment
Budbringer Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Midamaru said: I've played Asylum for idk how long anymore but in the time i've played i've never seen a UC cop camp a rebel outpost. Not on cop or civ, i know LT's are allowed ridiculous things, but if they abuse their powers and you report them with valid proof then it's RIP for them. Wasnt there this whole thing with P1 and camping rebel outpost vs Synergy, so they ended up with a huge meeting at Air HQ with Durga? Link to comment
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