Is this RDM?

[Crackbaby]

If an officer walks up to a Civ and says I will be restraining you, is this initiation?

[Crossfade]

if the civilian is wanted or has a illegal gun then a officer for his safety may walk up to anyone and say i will be restraining you for my safety and for processing. RDM is random death match which means if someone shoots you without initiation.

[Gen. Henry Arnold]

15 minutes ago, Crackbaby said:

If an officer walks up to a Civ and says I will be restraining you, is this initiation?

http://wiki.gaming-asylum.com/Patrolling
 

Probable Cause is justified and reasonable evidence that a person has been committing crimes and/or participating in illegal activities.

Probable Cause gives officers permission to restrain then search the suspect and search any vehicles they have keys for (whether they are the primary owner or not.)

If you do NOT have probable cause, you need the civilian's consent before you can search them and/or their vehicles.

What gives Probable Cause:

1. Seeing a person in an illegal area.
2. Seeing a civilian that is on the wanted list with a bounty of $2,500 or more.
3. Witnessing a civilian self-incriminate (they admit to possessing contraband, committing a crime etc.)
4. Witnessing a civilian evading arrest.
5. Seeing a person purposely offroad and attempt to drive around manned APD checkpoints. (Doing an 180 turn to avoid a checkpoint is not probable cause.)

If they said they are restraining them, then it is allowed.

 

Edited July 8, 2017 by Gen. Henry Arnold

[Super Bumbi]

That's not initiation, initiation is " APD Hands up. " or " You've got a bounty sir, place your hands among your head! " unless you were armed with a rifle raised.

[Super Bumbi]

This can be quoted as civilians cannot say " Don't move. " Then they shoot you for it simply because they initiated on you. When a civilian kills another player they have to initiate through " Hands up or die. " In almost every situation. zzz

[Super Bumbi]

If they had Sirens on perhaps they could restrain you, but otherwise they didn't present a valid reason to restrain you at the moment as they're supposed to state the reason while interacting with you if you've got a bounty, you claiming their respective role and proceeding through proper initiation.

[Kettles]

59 minutes ago, Crackbaby said:

If an officer walks up to a Civ and says I will be restraining you, is this initiation?

It's a gray area that needs to be reworked, cops know this and use it to circumvent having to initiate with you or your buddies.

They walk up to you and restrain you while telling you that you're going to be restrained, knowing damn well that in-game voice chat is delayed.

So now you're sitting in Kavala square powerless without having been given a chance to prevent them from restraining you.

Now people will tell you to stay out of Kavala, those people can choke on a pizza roll.

[BlackShot]

None of us are admins here, so don't take any answers for granted, not even mine. Even though, I'll quote something from an ex-community manager, from the Grey Area topic:

On 01/01/2017 at 5:48 PM, Volunteer281 said:

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving you shoot him... Is that RDM? Yes, that would be RDM as you described. Simply asking someone to leave HQ is not considered hostile initiation. Had the officer said "APD leave HQ or you will be shot/downed or restrained" then it would be ok to shoot him if you didn't want to leave.

[Super Bumbi]

I remember there being a thread about one of the admins ranting about what is initiation and what isn't, can you find it? @BlackShot

[BlackShot]

Just now, Super Bumbi said:

I remember there being a thread about one of the admins ranting about what is initiation and what isn't, can you find it? @BlackShot

Sorry, you're gonna have to be more specific. 

[eleec]

It all depends on the situation. Cant really give an answer without having the video to judge from a neutral side.

But as an advice, always reinitiate just for your own safety.

[conthegodoffire]

1 hour ago, Kettles said:

It's a gray area that needs to be reworked, cops know this and use it to circumvent having to initiate with you or your buddies.

They walk up to you and restrain you while telling you that you're going to be restrained, knowing damn well that in-game voice chat is delayed.

So now you're sitting in Kavala square powerless without having been given a chance to prevent them from restraining you.

Now people will tell you to stay out of Kavala, those people can choke on a pizza roll.

Rude, but for real. STAY OUT OF KAVALA!!!

[Midamaru]

Looking from both sides i would not even say that i'm gonna restrain someone.

And as a rebel i'd run my ass off till he shouts APD Stop running! And then hit him with that swift one tap.

 

Yeye in my dreams

[Bob Lee]

If you are with him in a group/gang and the officer restrains him, kill the cop

Edited July 8, 2017 by Bob Lee

[Henry Facesmasher]

5 hours ago, BlackShot said:

None of us are admins here, so don't take any answers for granted, not even mine. Even though, I'll quote something from an ex-community manager, from the Grey Area topic:

That's shit. Because if you didn't leave hq that cop would down you or restrain you. You report the cop, no action taken because you didn't comply with his demands.

[Midamaru]

5 hours ago, Henry Facesmasher said:

That's shit. Because if you didn't leave hq that cop would down you or restrain you. You report the cop, no action taken because you didn't comply with his demands.

Cop has to initate by saying leave the HQ or i will down you. If he says "leave" and he shoots you after 3secs report that motherfucker

[BlackShot]

4 hours ago, Henry Facesmasher said:

That's shit. Because if you didn't leave hq that cop would down you or restrain you. You report the cop, no action taken because you didn't comply with his demands.

 

Just now, Midamaru said:

Cop has to initate by saying leave the HQ or i will down you. If he says "leave" and he shoots you after 3secs report that motherfucker

This. 

[Destrah]

20 minutes ago, Midamaru said:

Cop has to initate by saying leave the HQ or i will down you. If he says "leave" and he shoots you after 3secs report that motherfucker

On 1/8/2017 at 3:31 PM, Volunteer281 said:

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving you shoot him... Is that RDM? Yes, that would be RDM as you described. Simply asking someone to leave HQ is not considered hostile initiation. Had the officer said "APD leave HQ or you will be shot/downed or restrained" then it would be ok to shoot him if you didn't want to leave.

Cop says "APD Leave HQ" and instead of leaving HQ you just sit there saying no and running around, so he decides to shoot you... Is that RDM? No that would not be RDM as you described. If the officer asked you to leave the HQ and you told him no then he would have the right to shoot/down or restrain you for disobeying a direct order.

It actually is one side for cops for some reason.

Edited July 8, 2017 by Destrah

[Midamaru]

46 minutes ago, Destrah said:

It actually is one side for cops for some reason.

Pfff volunteer aint shit no more, aint trusting that bitch