Transparency with the casino

[DS_Billy]

Whatsup lads and ladies.

So i would like some transparency from @Gen. Henry Arnold @Azeh (whoever is responsible for the coding)  regarding the casino and the percentages behind blackjack and inevitably the other games that you will bring into it. 

To explain, every machine you play on when it has a gambling for money aspect has a payout percentage, for example, if you have a slot machine in a casino with a 95% payout then the machine is expected to make 5% profit from all money put into it and will rig the games accordingly, this isn't to say that everyone playing that machine will lose,  a new machine may be up 15% at some point and pay out a jackpot to someone who only span a few times. This is enforced by the gambling commission, who require the casino/betting shop owners to keep logs of profits made per machine, any machine found over a long period of time to not be set into the right percentages displayed by the machine carry's a hefty hefty fine for the casino. 

So a lot of that is irrelevant to asylum but just wanted to explain the premise. When you play virtual blackjack you are basically playing a slot machine, the same rules apply in England for virtual blackjack and virtual roulette or any virtual casino game when it comes to displaying payout percentages. You can force it to fuck up of course by pounding the hit button but if you doing that you probably enjoy your testicles getting stepped on by women in high heels. 

So can we get some transparency on how your blackjack coding works and if indeed you have a payout percentage i  think it would be beneficial and fair to list it somewhere. 

The reason this is in place is to protect the player, in Asylum this is just another currency sink which is beneficial to any mmorpg style setup with an economy and currency. Problem is you got people of all ages who might get addicted to spending hours on your servers grinding out money to go try win money at the casino, you also have minors here who might go a bit crazy buying in game currency from people on back channels between themselves to fuel or birth a gambling habit. 

I think adding gambling in is a good move if done correctly, but dangerous if done incorrectly.
 

Edited December 19, 2019 by DS_Billy

[Azeh]

Gonna let Henry answer this one as I don't have anything to do with the casino.

[Gen. Henry Arnold]

Blackjack info only for now as the rest isn’t in game:

We are using pretty standard casino rules for how the dealer plays, and we use 4 decks. If you know how blackjack works (and know strategies) you can calculate your odds. We aren’t controlling your betting habits and you are expected to know how to play the game before throwing your money at it.

[Infamous [FULL SEND]]

Just now, Gen. Henry Arnold said:

Blackjack info only for now as the rest isn’t in game:

We are using pretty standard casino rules for how the dealer plays, and we use 4 decks. If you know how blackjack works (and know strategies) you can calculate your odds. We aren’t controlling your betting habits and you are expected to know how to play the game before throwing your money at it.

Stop taking ownership of it

[DS_Billy]

Not really the question that was asked Henry. 

Player skill don't factor into virtual blackjack like it does on a table, if its time for you to win and you hit a 12 against a 16 itl give you a 9 and the dealer a 10, if its time for you to lose it will give you a 10 to bust or a 5 and the dealer a 4 for example. 

Are you are saying there is no set percentage in your blackjack code? It isn't  driven by any kind of of payout percentage whatsoever? 

Edited December 19, 2019 by DS_Billy

[Reapered]

For once the british hillbilly is right, let’s see some code ya cunts

[Bag Of Funyuns]

Lmao the casino is rigged. 

[DS_Billy]

i mean casino's are inherently rigged of course, and code aint whats needed just the win % put behind the games. 

[bigjohn561]

Got 20 and dealer hit 21 3-4 times in a row....

[uc.]

Me and the fucking dealer tied 4 times in row with 21 rigged bye

[DS_Billy]

But thats normal for virtual blackjack, what im asking for is transparency on the payout % which really shouldent be an issue. 

[Pizza Man]

2 hours ago, DS_Billy said:

i mean casino's are inherently rigged of course, and code aint whats needed just the win % put behind the games. 

"Virtual Blackjack" is not the same as a slot machine. Blackjack has a payout percentage of about 95% (100% - 5% house edge) and the house edge always has a mathematical variation around ~0.5% based on payouts and rules, in this case:

- Beating the dealer's hand returns a profit equal to the initial bet amount 2:1
- Blackjack returns an additional 1.5x the initial bet amount 2:1 + 1.5:1
- Tying the dealer with Blackjack results in losing your initial bet amount
- Busting/Losing to the dealer's hand results in losing your initial bet amount
- Tying with the dealer results in all bets pushed back

With the current rules and payouts the house edge is more around ~0.55%.
Now once you do some complex math (95% - 0.55%), you find out that the payout percentage is approximately 94.45% or a house edge of 5.55%.

[DS_Billy]

no, that is on a table, not with a computer putting out the next c

2 minutes ago, Pizza Man said:

"Virtual Blackjack" is not the same as a slot machine. Blackjack has a payout percentage of about 95% (100% - 5% house edge) and the house edge always has a mathematical variation around ~0.5% based on payouts and rules, in this case:

- Beating the dealer's hand returns a profit equal to the initial bet amount 2:1
- Blackjack returns an additional 1.5x the initial bet amount 2:1 + 1.5:1
- Tying the dealer with Blackjack results in losing your initial bet amount
- Busting/Losing to the dealer's hand results in losing your initial bet amount
- Tying with the dealer results in all bets pushed back

With the current rules and payouts the house edge is more around ~0.55%.
Now once you do some complex math (95% - 0.55%), you find out that the payout percentage is approximately 94.45% or a house edge of 5.55%.

No, that is on a table, virtual blackjack and virtual roulette absolutely is the same as a slot machine. 

on a table your odds of winning any hand is 42.22% to push is 8. something and to lose is 49.1 which is what makes the house advantage in an actual casino playing properly.

Virtual blackjack, is run by a computer, there is not actual deck its pulling cards from, it knows if its time to win or lose.  same as roulette.

Edited December 20, 2019 by DS_Billy

[Pizza Man]

2 minutes ago, DS_Billy said:

no, that is on a table, not with a computer putting out the next c

No, that is on a table, virtual blackjack and virtual roulette absolutely is the same as a slot machine. 

on a table your odds of winning any hand is 42.22% to push is 8. something and to lose is 49.1 which is what makes the house advantage in an actual casino playing properly.

Virtual blackjack, is run by a computer, there is not actual deck its pulling cards from, it knows if its time to win or lose. 

 

5 hours ago, Gen. Henry Arnold said:

We are using pretty standard casino rules for how the dealer plays, and we use 4 decks.

The "Virtual Blackjack" is pulling from simulated decks of cards and the rules are very clearly printed on the table. The dealer will ALWAYS draw to 16 and stand on 17 while pulling from the same decks that the player is using.

EDIT: The cards are randomly pulled from the deck there is no way for the "computer to know" if its time to win or lose.

Edited December 20, 2019 by Pizza Man

[Mr.Purple]

Just now, Pizza Man said:

 

The "Virtual Blackjack" is pulling from simulated decks of cards and the rules are very clearly printed on the table. The dealer will ALWAYS draw to 16 and stand on 17 while pulling from the same decks that the player is using.

That's something the house would say.

Rigged

[DS_Billy]

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Just now, Pizza Man said:

 

The "Virtual Blackjack" is pulling from simulated decks of cards and the rules are very clearly printed on the table. The dealer will ALWAYS draw to 16 and stand on 17 while pulling from the same decks that the player is using.

The rules of blackjack arent what im asking for. Its the payout % behind the coding driving if you win or lose, think thats been made pretty clear. 

Edited December 20, 2019 by DS_Billy

[Pizza Man]

Just now, DS_Billy said:

The rules of blackjack arent what im asking for. Its the payout % behind the coding driving if you win or lose. 

There is no code driving the payout percentage. The base house advantage (5%) is what is left over from the "return percentage" which is the odds of winning if you play the game statistically correct (95%), the variation of the house edge is around 0.5% with variation based on "The rules of blackjack".

I am not going to explain this again but the answer to your question is that the payout percentage is approx. 94.45%.

[DS_Billy]

Just now, Pizza Man said:

There is no code driving the payout percentage. The base house advantage (5%) is what is left over from the "return percentage" which is the odds of winning if you play the game statistically correct (95%), the variation of the house edge is around 0.5% with variation based on "The rules of blackjack".

I am not going to explain this again but the answer to your question is that the payout percentage is approx. 94.45%.

you arent addressing the question, you are quoting table blackjack percentages, every single virtual blackjack game out there has odds of winning regardless of what button you press. if you hold on a 9 the dealer will bust. 

[Pizza Man]

2 minutes ago, DS_Billy said:

you arent addressing the question, you are quoting table blackjack percentages, every single virtual blackjack game out there has odds of winning regardless of what button you press. if you hold on a 9 the dealer will bust. 

There is no difference between a live blackjack table and the asylum casino blackjack table. Please read google before posting.

https://begado.legitimatecasino.com/live-vs-video-blackjack/

[Mitch (IFRIT)]

Looks like this was answered 5 different ways now.