APD Federal Event Opinion

[Yung Jaypl]

Just now, Bandit said:

I don't believe I said anything about the Fed being imbalanced, just that it was annoying having to cycle between events for the entire restart. If anything, I think it's in a better spot than it has been in a long time with the newest policy. Rebels win more than cops, but we have our moments. How about you actually read the stuff in the thread before lashing out at everyone else.

If you win we won't do it as often and you'll get your so heavily desired RP when we discuss charges because 9/10 times well talk about it.

Obviously there isn't any way to dumb this down any more so you guys do what you feel is necessary. The poll doesn't support it though

[Nicolas March]

The only problem with these fed events is the fact that you dont have time to procces your suspects if you catch them before the next one starts. nothing is more annoying then you winning bank, but then having to go to fed when you have 10 guys to procces and you still need to drive to hq. by the time your done proccesing the event is over

[Max Shorefield]

1 hour ago, Abu Hajaar said:

There is more than 10 cops online for more than half the day. Cops also got SWAT added, which is a huge buff. Now you are suggesting another cop buff? Server is starting to look like cop simulator more and more

I never suggested a buff. I simply wanted to hear opinions. 

32 minutes ago, Kituii said:

@Max Shorefield SWAT should not be whitelisted.  It should be auto given to all officers online when a federal event activates.  1 life.  Spawn with a wetsuit  / Carrier light MK1 / ARCO or RCO with a strider.

You should hold a training for Fed and have somebody who fights it every day come teach people things.  Hint hint, its not going to be your LTs or captains because they dont know what in the fuck theyre talking about with most of the events.  Ask one of the civ players or one of the old experienced cartel players to come during a training and try to help improve the server.

 

You need to learn how to use vans properly.

Rushing west gate does not work versus a 10 man group where the average player has 8k+ hours.

Deerstands can explode.

The fed wall is fucking huge, think about those words for a minute.

sitting in telos makes you lose fed, not win.

Undercover Orca > Hummingbird with legitimately anybody in it will never be shot down.  make sure the pilot knows that repairing the glass is important if its been ripped.

Hunter's suck dick, so do striders.  All armored sucks dick pretty hard actually.  Learn how to not get shot out.  Don't drive up hills straight, speed is your friend.

a tempest engine gets shot out in 6 MX shots.  Figure it out.

If you put nitrous on your hunter spike stripping a tempest is not hard.

With a shot out engine, a tempest can roll for about 1 - 1.5km With a good driver.

Tempests are armored to 6.5, takes a mag to shoot it out.

Going into a fight 1 at a time doesnt work, pushing in 15 deep at once with hunters and flash banging a deerstand down works a lot better.  You all die?  Pull hunters and push at once with all of them full, have a guy with flashbangs to blow the deerstand then bring a van.

You can van onto the wall and go into the fed in a different area.

North deerstand is closed, the house is now owned by CEO thank me for that idk.

@Max Shorefield You should discuss with server administration on reformatting the APD because you legitimately care and the current leadership does not.

 

Thats all.

We have discussed many different ways to handle fed and the biggest issue is we cannot force officers to listen reasonably. We have to balance being commanders and letting the officers be independent. 

12 minutes ago, Mate said:

yeah we’ve given you more time to “rp” and all you do is blow up fed deer stands before we do feds and wait for us to get close to setup inside the fed so we have to attack it.  

I disagree with this. Yes we have a little time to rp with civs but are not blowing up towers during that time. We have blown up deerstands only a couple times. 

[Niklaus]

7 hours ago, Yung Jaypl said:

And eliminate the last little bit of content on this dead server. Sick.

 

Legit just start winning more than 10% of the time and its not an issue. We do feds literally 6v12 and you guys complain. At some point it comes down to just being bad at the game.

me when i play defensive positions with better armor, comms, weapons, vehicles, and less restrictions on rules. fight a cartel for once and you guys would get clapped.

[Infamous [FULL SEND]]

@Kituiiits not even that, we would win most of your feds if PEOPLE CAME BACK TO THE FUCKING FED, and dont leave me and 2 corporals alone

 

[Good Lub]

10 hours ago, Sean That Irish Guy said:

When you have Captains that down right say "do not respond to that event" or they just dont bother showing up themselves and higher ups who refuse to pull the armor or just log out when the event starts then its not the policy that needs attention, but the attitude some people. Ever noticed that policies always change but the problems still persist?

Instead of of just arguing about shit take a minute to see what sean wrote.That ^ is the truth and no stupid policies and regulations are ever going to fix it unless apd high command gets a serious change.

[Solar]

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Edited November 27, 2021 by Solarmender

[Voodoo]

it comes up all the time 10-rebel vs 10+cops,and rebel can win.you know why?because so many cops is a noob and most of the cops only can use the mx.only when up the tough cop is online,so they can win,such as rod,but most of the time, only noob cops online,they have no power to stop it,so they dont experience it RPG.What level of online if settings are required,the rebels will have to wait a long time ,the truth is that banks are for powerful rebels,they dont want make money,so they can rob bank have the money,to fight the war,and there s not as much money in a bank robbery as you might think,cops need powerful man,for example I .i have a lot of experience in cop combat.and the SWAT need powerful civ play.in china we just like fight to bank.so i am a good bank player rebel and cop👍

Edited May 24, 2020 by Voodoo

[王 Prodigy 王]

I agree with @Kituii that SWAT shouldn't be whitelisted. Like he said, every officer should be able to use it. If every officer had an MK1 with armor, shit would be a whole lot different. Also, another issue is lack of strategy. All I see cops do is smash the gates with hatchbacks over and over until they die twice. Sure higher ups will pull the occasional armor, but armor should be used way more. having 1 or 2 hunters can get the job done for sure, but it comes down to the driver. If we were to pull 4-5 hunters,striders,etc. it would be a different fight. I also feel that flashbangs and smokes aren't being used enough. I rarely ever see a cop throw a flash and then push. However every time I have seen it, it worked. the lack of strategy and the lack of confidence that you are going to win is why the APD loses most fights. 

9 hours ago, Infamous [FULL SEND] said:

@Kituiiits not even that, we would win most of your feds if PEOPLE CAME BACK TO THE FUCKING FED, and don't leave me and 2 corporals alone

 

you also forgot to mention that u and the 2 other cpl's have 10 guys in restraints at fed with you. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by 王 Foxx 王

[•ÐŠ• Randy]

I dont think thees anything wrong with it, especially with SWAT being added. Give the cops some time to get into the swing of things with SWAT and I think it will be better.

3 hours ago, 王 Foxx 王 said:

I agree with @Kituii that SWAT shouldn't be whitelisted. Like he said, every officer should be able to use it. If every officer had an MK1 with armor, shit would be a whole lot different.

Yes it would be a lot different, but in a bad way. I dont want 20 cops with MKs and their own strider, that would just be ridiculous

[Yung Jaypl]

14 hours ago, Niklaus said:

me when i play defensive positions with better armor, comms, weapons, vehicles, and less restrictions on rules. fight a cartel for once and you guys would get clapped.

You're awful. Thats why you got kicked. Be saltier low tier player. Have fun with your rdm/exploiting ban. I have more hours of cartel experience than you have in Arma combined. 😁

Edit: and wait really the only combat rule revolves around lethals, and you guys lethal before you even show up anyways. Your argument is as bad as your aim.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Yung Jaypl

[Infamous [FULL SEND]]

4 hours ago, 王 Foxx 王 said:

you also forgot to mention that u and the 2 other cpl's have 10 guys in restraints at fed with you. 

You must be mistaken, every corporal I know lethals on the spot

21 hours ago, Max Shorefield said:

Yeah I agree. I've just had alot of officers complaining they don't want to play cop anymore and I am trying to brainstorm some ideas. 

Ngl, some people like RP, I get it I enjoy RP too, but when you become a cop what do you expect, not to fight banks and feds? its apart of the game and there SHOULD BE NO COMPLAINING. Especially when they complain about dying with a FREE FUCKING LOADOUT.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Infamous [FULL SEND]

[Max Shorefield]

1 hour ago, Infamous [FULL SEND] said:

You must be mistaken, every corporal I know lethals on the spot

Ngl, some people like RP, I get it I enjoy RP too, but when you become a cop what do you expect, not to fight banks and feds? its apart of the game and there SHOULD BE NO COMPLAINING. Especially when they complain about dying with a FREE FUCKING LOADOUT.

Yeah I am just looking into the issue and was curious to hear everyone's opinion. Personally I enjoy the federal events just not when they are every 5 minutes. This post helped out point some things that I will definitely look more into (while ignoring the toxic rats who are here to troll). 

[Rodrigo]

Just keep it the way it is now.

[Fried Rice]

5 hours ago, Infamous [FULL SEND] said:

 

Ngl, some people like RP, I get it I enjoy RP too, but when you become a cop what do you expect, not to fight banks and feds? its apart of the game and there SHOULD BE NO COMPLAINING. Especially when they complain about dying with a FREE FUCKING LOADOUT.

Plus just go 2 times, die and leave

Edited May 25, 2020 by Chow Mein

[Infamous [FULL SEND]]

5 hours ago, Max Shorefield said:

Yeah I am just looking into the issue and was curious to hear everyone's opinion. Personally I enjoy the federal events just not when they are every 5 minutes. This post helped out point some things that I will definitely look more into (while ignoring the toxic rats who are here to troll). 

Honestly the main reason I dont want to play cop is because, its not fun to fight events because I find it just being me and two others fighting

[Kituii]

The mechanics shouldnt be changed, APD policy and leadership should be changed.

Edited May 25, 2020 by Kituii

[Niklaus]

9 hours ago, Yung Jaypl said:

You're awful. Thats why you got kicked.

throwback to when i drove the tempest in the opposite direction of reb to fuck with kituii

[Yung Jaypl]

2 hours ago, Niklaus said:

throwback to when i drove the tempest in the opposite direction of reb to fuck with kituii

"to fuck w kituii" is code for "im retarded and cant follow directions". It wasn't just that. You aim with your ankles and have no clue, that's why you never win events.

Edited May 25, 2020 by Yung Jaypl

[powerwolf]

Basic breakdown? These fucking events need timers dude, like holy shit everyone is sick to death of doing these non stop all damn day they arent fun anymore. The events themselves being reworked sounds amazing, but there needs to be at least a half a hour between these events, the armour spam of rebels brining 2 ifrits and 4 hunters to fights is also a issue imo opinion but thats about it. 

[Peach Picker]

3 hours ago, Kituii said:

The mechanics shouldnt be changed, APD policy and leadership should be changed.

Yeah idk why the solution to cops being shit on is being told they don't have to go at all. That's how economies get destroyed

[Kituii]

2 minutes ago, Peach Picker said:

Yeah idk why the solution to cops being shit on is being told they don't have to go at all. That's how economies get destroyed

Its already been destroyed, APD leadership would have to change in order for it to stop.

[zetherin]

The people I have talked to on about cop are fine with fed events, it comes down to who the higher ups are when the fed event happens. I have been told by a few friends of mine that if you (Max Shorefield) are on then they just get off if a fed is happening because your strategies make no sense and by the APD rules we are supposed to listen to higher-ups even when they are bad at the game. I am sure there might be more to it than that but I know for a fact I do not like going to fed events either when specific higher ups are on. Sometimes there can be 6 people top of bank and 2 unreachable then you say to down them... that is just a waste of time and no cop wants to be a part of that shit show. When rebels get on cop, we love fed events because generally we are good enough to stop the event or do some good damage. Just my 2 cents

[Abu]

On 5/25/2020 at 8:35 AM, powerwolf said:

but there needs to be at least a half a hour between these events

Rebel life would be so boring. you wouldnt know though

[Niklaus]

On 5/26/2020 at 9:02 AM, zetherin said:

The people I have talked to on about cop are fine with fed events, it comes down to who the higher ups are when the fed event happens. I have been told by a few friends of mine that if you (Max Shorefield) are on then they just get off if a fed is happening because your strategies make no sense and by the APD rules we are supposed to listen to higher-ups even when they are bad at the game. I am sure there might be more to it than that but I know for a fact I do not like going to fed events either when specific higher ups are on. Sometimes there can be 6 people top of bank and 2 unreachable then you say to down them... that is just a waste of time and no cop wants to be a part of that shit show. When rebels get on cop, we love fed events because generally we are good enough to stop the event or do some good damage. Just my 2 cents

There's bad higher ups but for the most part they don't really coordinate strategies. It's more up to the constables and corporals to decide and utilize strategies. That said when a higher up does make a plan it can fall through or it can work. Sometimes we set up at reb before they get there, sometimes we hide spikes along the road, sometimes people hide speedbombs on the tempest and sometimes we just retard slam gate over and over to no avail. All in all strategy really isn't the problem, the problem is that some officers feel it takes away from the roleplay aspect of the apd by constantly having to fight federal events. Apd rules are pretty light on listening to higher-ups, apart from getting chewed out I could do just about any dumb move at fed and nobody would stop me. Part of the problem is that there's not a lot of emphasis on leadership during federal events, but in the end nobody's forcing us to pull a dumb strategy we don't want. 

[Kituii]

On 5/23/2020 at 6:36 PM, Kituii said:

@Max Shorefield SWAT should not be whitelisted.  It should be auto given to all officers online when a federal event activates.  1 life.  Spawn with a wetsuit  / Carrier light MK1 / ARCO or RCO with a strider.

You should hold a training for Fed and have somebody who fights it every day come teach people things.  Hint hint, its not going to be your LTs or captains because they dont know what in the fuck theyre talking about with most of the events.  Ask one of the civ players or one of the old experienced cartel players to come during a training and try to help improve the server.

 

You need to learn how to use vans properly.

Rushing west gate does not work versus a 10 man group where the average player has 8k+ hours.

Deerstands can explode.

The fed wall is fucking huge, think about those words for a minute.

sitting in telos makes you lose fed, not win.

Undercover Orca > Hummingbird with legitimately anybody in it will never be shot down.  make sure the pilot knows that repairing the glass is important if its been ripped.

Hunter's suck dick, so do striders.  All armored sucks dick pretty hard actually.  Learn how to not get shot out.  Don't drive up hills straight, speed is your friend.

a tempest engine gets shot out in 6 MX shots.  Figure it out.

If you put nitrous on your hunter spike stripping a tempest is not hard.

With a shot out engine, a tempest can roll for about 1 - 1.5km With a good driver.

Tempests are armored to 6.5, takes a mag to shoot it out.

Going into a fight 1 at a time doesnt work, pushing in 15 deep at once with hunters and flash banging a deerstand down works a lot better.  You all die?  Pull hunters and push at once with all of them full, have a guy with flashbangs to blow the deerstand then bring a van.

You can van onto the wall and go into the fed in a different area.

North deerstand is closed, the house is now owned by CEO thank me for that idk.

@Max Shorefield You should discuss with server administration on reformatting the APD because you legitimately care and the current leadership does not.

 

Thats all.

@Hoodlum Priest

[Hoodlum Priest]

On 5/23/2020 at 9:08 PM, Max Shorefield said:

 

We have discussed many different ways to handle fed and the biggest issue is we cannot force officers to listen reasonably. We have to balance being commanders and letting the officers be independent. 

 

I respectfully disagree. The biggest complaint I hear from cops and also have myself is no leadership on fed events. I rarely play cop anymore because fed events are nothing but monkeys fucking grabastic pieces of amphibian football sized shits.

Soup sandwiches for everyone.

Its a bunch of random players pushing in one by one and inevitably dying to a team playing like a team.

If a player playing as cop does not like to respond to leadership and fall in line, kick them out of APD. This doesnt mean kissing ass to dipshits that think having rank in a make believe police department gives them some kind of superiority.......it just means wanting to play a video game with some kind of team work.

[Kituii]

16 hours ago, Hoodlum Priest said:

I respectfully disagree. The biggest complaint I hear from cops and also have myself is no leadership on fed events. I rarely play cop anymore because fed events are nothing but monkeys fucking grabastic pieces of amphibian football sized shits.

Soup sandwiches for everyone.

Its a bunch of random players pushing in one by one and inevitably dying to a team playing like a team.

If a player playing as cop does not like to respond to leadership and fall in line, kick them out of APD. This doesnt mean kissing ass to dipshits that think having rank in a make believe police department gives them some kind of superiority.......it just means wanting to play a video game with some kind of team work.

if the apd worked together in any fashion and had any type of real leadership like it used to every single fed / bank / prison / evidence that happens would be immediately shut down.  Cops have an insane advantage mechanically.  Any type you try to talk about it though there is no serious response given.

[Fried Rice]

6 hours ago, Kituii said:

Cops have an insane advantage mechanically.

Yes we do, especially when 5 cops are online fighting a fed against 13 rats who spawn in the houses 150 meters away from the fed.

[Infamous [FULL SEND]]

Just now, Chow Mein said:

Yes we do, especially when 5 cops are online fighting a fed against 13 rats who spawn in the houses 150 meters away from the fed.

hey dont forget them camping our spawns

[Fried Rice]

6 hours ago, Kituii said:

its wild you have some of those "13 rats" that play cop occasionally.  They lead the other players when they are on cop and usually win.  Why is that?

Because the rats are on cop which leaves 4 retards to try and do the fed by themselves...

[vUnited]

How about adding a timer on the fed, like 20 minutes and it shuts down locking all the gates again. That way your on a time basis and you cant hold the fed all restart and farm it. Granted this would probably spike up hit and runs but its just a thought.

[Hoodlum Priest]

All these feds are aggravating. Gangs are making their money doing feds and banks now which means the drug zones are empty and I now have less people to rob.

How the hell am I supposed to make money when distillery and meth are dead?

120 people on and they are all running around in Kavala with no shoes on cause they are broke as shit.

[HotWings]

On 5/23/2020 at 5:17 PM, Yung Jaypl said:

Crazy. Its almost like there are a shit load of ideas, but the dev team refuses to add content, instead adding more paid skins, and clothes for people that donate $200 to a video game. It is so easy to counter things when you literally double our numbers. Again, at some point it comes down to just being bad at this video game. Get better. If you don't want to go to a federal event then, wait for it, don't. Just log until it's over if its that big of a deal. Go outside. Take a walk.

Its almost like there is a million other things to do other than trigger end game even after end game event. AND even if they added more shit your monkey ass would still do end game even after end game event.  Dont blame the dev team because you're to autistic to RP on an RP server.

[LarrytheLobster]

On 5/24/2020 at 10:56 AM, Voodoo said:

it comes up all the time 10-rebel vs 10+cops,and rebel can win.you know why?because so many cops is a noob and most of the cops only can use the mx.only when up the tough cop is online,so they can win,such as rod,but most of the time, only noob cops online,they have no power to stop it,so they dont experience it RPG.What level of online if settings are required,the rebels will have to wait a long time ,the truth is that banks are for powerful rebels,they dont want make money,so they can rob bank have the money,to fight the war,and there s not as much money in a bank robbery as you might think,cops need powerful man,for example I .i have a lot of experience in cop combat.and the SWAT need powerful civ play.in china we just like fight to bank.so i am a good bank player rebel and cop👍

 

You aren't an officer?