Mitch (IFRIT) Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 All, wanted to first by thanking everyone for their feedback since our recent patch was dropped. I appreciate it regardless if it was positive or negative. Obviously some feel that we missed the mark with our electric bill concept, so I'd like to take a dive into what a solution looks like that satisfies all parties. There continues to be a ton of money on the server, and this isn't any new news. We have worked tirelessly to ensure the ease of access to the server content for new and returning players. This means we dropped a lot of prices and increased the prices of which items sold for. Obviously this was a win for anyone on the server and you have all enjoyed it and became comfortable with the relatively easy living. I fully understand that we are not in the prime of the ARMA years so the player base has since changed a bit. Along with the player base change the style of play has changed. I have seen many say they have no desire to do runs to make money and they can't be bothered to spend money on anything but the things they choose to. That in itself is a problem that I don't believe we can address from a server standpoint. SO my focus will not be there. Play the server how you want, just have fun doing it. So what does a solution look like from my perspective? Base Starting (Per 10 days) Shed 75k 100k+ house 45k 70k house 35k 1 crate house 10k Garage 10k Additions Miner 10k Greenhouse 15k Aging Barrel 20k Gang Base 10k Lead Container 15k I think this is extremely fair and still addresses some of my issues. I will look to other ways to address the rest that isn't forced upon everyone, only if they elect. I have made a poll to get your vote on the idea. I have also enabled Mod-Q for this post to weed out the trolls. Regardless of you opinion the post will be approved. Just the spam post will be hidden. Copa, Yellvis, Dan. and 2 others like this Link to comment
Teddy_ Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 Could there also be an addition on the phone to pay the house bills ? ❤️ either way sounds good Henry Facesmasher, Bag Of Funyuns, Hank3 and 4 others like this Link to comment
Mr. Slick Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Juan Lei said: Could there also be an addition on the phone to pay the house bills ? ❤️ either way sounds good Will be replaced via !payebill Hank3, Copa, Donald and 2 others like this Link to comment
Teddy_ Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr. Slick said: Will be replaced via !payebill Best addition to the server in months Aristant likes this Link to comment
Donald Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 Can we have the option to set up auto-billing every 10 days so it just takes it from our account without having to pay manually everytime?And a phone app for all of this would be nice Diego Alvarez, Bag Of Funyuns, Bherky and 4 others like this Link to comment
Grizz Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 Additions should probably be as followed: Miner 5k Greenhouse 10k Aging Barrel 12.5k Gang Base 10k Lead Container 15k Link to comment
YuSheng Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Donald said: Can we have the option to set up auto-billing every 10 days so it just takes it from our account without having to pay manually everytime?And a phone app for all of this would be nice I agree auto pay would be nice Link to comment
Mayhem Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Donald said: Can we have the option to set up auto-billing every 10 days so it just takes it from our account without having to pay manually everytime?And a phone app for all of this would be nice This may be an issue if a player doesnt have the funds to pay it Joe . and Copa like this Link to comment
Mitch (IFRIT) Posted September 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, YuSheng said: I agree auto pay would be nice 17 minutes ago, Donald said: Can we have the option to set up auto-billing every 10 days so it just takes it from our account without having to pay manually everytime?And a phone app for all of this would be nice That could be cool. But as staff we would be asked "Why am I missing X money" more often than we would want. Link to comment
KrazyKnight Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 If you want my opinion, I feel as so this is fair. Though I really feel as if you should sell your additions if you don't want them anymore. For instance if the market isn't in favor of an aging barrel why have it? Be better to off load that and lessen the blow of your bill in my opinion. Hank3 likes this Link to comment
Mitch (IFRIT) Posted September 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 minute ago, KrazyKnight said: If you want my opinion, I feel as so this is fair. Though I really feel as if you should sell your additions if you don't want them anymore. For instance if the market isn't in favor of an aging barrel why have it? Be better to off load that and lessen the blow of your bill in my opinion. can see that being a issue though. Easy to exploit. and I hate adding stuff that needs further policing. KrazyKnight likes this Link to comment
Tyrone Darnell Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 So say I have a house with a maxed computer, and I dont have any consoles running. Will I still get taxed for having the maxed computer even though its not being used?> Link to comment
Donald Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mitch (IFRIT) said: That could be cool. But as staff we would be asked "Why am I missing X money" more often than we would want. Could have a notification pop up when you login that X money was taken to pay electric bills. Also make it so the default payment is manual so players will have to knowingly switch to auto-renewal Link to comment
Mitch (IFRIT) Posted September 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, Donald said: Could have a notification pop up when you login that X money was taken to pay electric bills. Also make it so the default payment is manual so players will have to knowingly switch to auto-renewal but i was going to sell that house because I no longer wanted it. I think the issues it presents far outweigh the benefit and a simple command on the server to pay it makes the most sense. Link to comment
Mr. Slick Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, Tyrone Darnell said: So say I have a house with a maxed computer, and I dont have any consoles running. Will I still get taxed for having the maxed computer even though its not being used?> ye Link to comment
Defragments Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) Pretty sure it worked out cheaper for me without these changes T_T I think there needs to be an option to remove upgrades if this goes through Edited September 13, 2021 by Defragments Sheriff Rick, 王 rando 王, KrazyKnight and 1 other like this Link to comment
Mayhem Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Defragments said: Pretty sure it worked out cheaper for me without these changes T_T I think there needs to be an option to remove upgrades if this goes through I like this idea but maybe receive 50% of the value back and need a check for virtual/physical upgrades if those were able to removed as well Link to comment
Defragments Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Mayhem said: I like this idea but maybe receive 50% of the value back and need a check for virtual/physical upgrades if those were able to removed as well Yeah. I mean, I am happy even with no money back. I just have lead containers on a few houses that don't really need them. Just there for when I rarely transport some LSD pills over there or get some from metal detecting or whatever. 50% value back would be great. I wish there were another way to stop house hoarding though. I really dislike that money is the thing being used to keep it in check. I've played like 7000 hours on Asylum, but I've taken some lengthy breaks where I only played a couple times a month. Now if I decide I wanna take a break, I might come back and be missing a large chunk of my bank account to something that wasn't RPG's or minigun Qilins. Sheriff Rick likes this Link to comment
Defragments Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 And the fact that even though I grind some money every now and then, like 80% of the time I just don't want to do the grind anymore. I just don't die a lot in the game and bounty hunt or do some robbing or whatever to keep my money positive for the day usually. Link to comment
王 Caden The Fed 王 Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 with this updated to the electric bills it's actually increasing how much I pay ?? Farmer Steve likes this Link to comment
Crossfade Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 53 minutes ago, Mitch (IFRIT) said: That could be cool. But as staff we would be asked "Why am I missing X money" more often than we would want. What if you could toggle it? So when someone toggles it they are expecting a loss of money? Not just some rando loses 300k and asks why? Could be easier for everyone Link to comment
Sheriff Rick Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 (edited) This would be expensive for me than before. I'm not seeing how this is more fair? The only people who would benefit from such changes are people doing crypto I rather there be no electric bills unless you're doing crypto. The housing system is a lot worse now and that is disappointing. I think there is ways you could tackle the housing problem without forcing everyone to play the game in a way they don't want to Edited September 13, 2021 by Sheriff Rick SuperfarvaOG, Defragments, Farmer Steve and 2 others like this Link to comment
bigjohn561 Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 I agree on the charges but, Also allow being able to remove upgrades. I upgraded my house just to fully upgrade it and now I see it would save money not to have the upgrade lol. SuperfarvaOG and 808state like this Link to comment
Kawaii Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 Still feel like it doesn't address any core issues. Even if I keep playing the same amount (which is probably still a lot by normal standards, lower than the average you seem to want to be playing) I'll still hold onto the same houses forever? Someone could theoretically just pay the bill on one house whenever he feels like playing for a whole hour a month and the same issue will still exist. It seems like people who play consistently but not an absolute ton or not in the 'intended' way of playing purely to grind money every day are being punished. I feel like people may potentially play less as a whole since its only really worth it to pay the bills if you intend to spend a lot of time on in a given week. Don't really see how it deals with the inflation of money on the server either. I agree that there should be some type of running maintenance cost and way to force people to engage with the server, but not sure if this is quite the right direction. Feels more off-putting to someone like me who mainly plays casually, personally. Sheriff Rick, Azeh, Defragments and 4 others like this Link to comment
Kazuma Kiryu Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 Why is it charging at all unless you have an upgrade? I don't play enough to grind all the money to consistently upkeep my houses for more than a few weeks, nor do I want to. This is supposed to do stuff do people with a lot of money and do nothing but it just hurts the poorer players WAY more. It should be zero unless there's an upgrade. It's really dumb. Link to comment
Warsaw223 Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 I don’t like the electric bill 45k x5 is a lot when the weed I grow don’t even turn into bud anymore. I lose about half my product from being robbed are the cops. Let the weed turn to bud and I’ll be fine with it echo1b and TANK Bushman like this Link to comment
Farmer Steve Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 This is worse than before lol. I don't understand why you guys even added this in the first place. Nothing happens after not paying your bills except that you can't use the house, so what? The people this update was probably intended for, it won't hurt them at all. If you guys want more houses to be listed to market this was in all honestly a shitty way of going about it. Why not instead go after the people that have <10 hours each month for the past year and wipe those guys? It would make no sense to let them keep their houses after that long. SuperfarvaOG, Azeh, 808state and 5 others like this Link to comment
Mitch (IFRIT) Posted September 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Sheriff Rick said: This would be expensive for me than before. I'm not seeing how this is more fair? The only people who would benefit from such changes are people doing crypto I rather there be no electric bills unless you're doing crypto. The housing system is a lot worse now and that is disappointing. I think there is ways you could tackle the housing problem without forcing everyone to play the game in a way they don't want to Ok.. no problem Link to comment
Kawaii Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Farmer Steve said: This is worse than before lol. I don't understand why you guys even added this in the first place. Nothing happens after not paying your bills except that you can't use the house, so what? The people this update was probably intended for, it won't hurt them at all. If you guys want more houses to be listed to market this was in all honestly a shitty way of going about it. Why not instead go after the people that have <10 hours each month for the past year and wipe those guys? It would make no sense to let them keep their houses after that long. Yeah this is kind of the right path perhaps. I know houses are the ultimate 'untouchable' on the server that everyone freaks out about, but if theres a guy who plays less than 10 or even 5 hours a month keeping 5 prime spots might as well just wipe his houses. It's much more forceful but its the only way to have the intended effect that you seem to want. I'm happy for there to be exceptions for people with proof of hardships or deployments or things of that sort, much like the APD has. Link to comment
Dan. Posted September 13, 2021 Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 51 minutes ago, Kazuma Kiryu said: Why is it charging at all unless you have an upgrade? I don't play enough to grind all the money to consistently upkeep my houses for more than a few weeks, nor do I want to. This is supposed to do stuff do people with a lot of money and do nothing but it just hurts the poorer players WAY more. It should be zero unless there's an upgrade. It's really dumb. I think the devs are really onto something here with the electricity. Why would the house not have an upgrade tho? Any house and every house regardless of upgrades should have a electricity bill. Assuming you've also maxed your physical and virtual inventory, i consider that to be quite a large upgrade. imagine all of the cool stuff that could possibly one day come out in future updates. idk exactly what those things can beee lol. but maybe security cameras added to the outside of homes, be like a "Security Upgrade". able to switch thru cameras as you would for example like a APD officer scrolling through the 'Traffic Cams'. almost completely pointless but at least you'd be able to see whats going on outside without needing to go to a window or peak through the wall lol. it'd be pretty cool. with electricity maybe they could even add a dry room into the green house upgrade? Allowing you to dry 35 adult plants every server restart. be a pretty expensive upgrade but good way for passive income for people who actually aren't on the server as much as others. just like liquor aging in the house's. Upgrades like that are also going to bring up your electricity bill. WE NEED SINKS LIKE THIS. You have 10 days.. it's not to hard to actually make 250k+ an hour on this server. this may also prevent house hoarding. large gangs and their members just buy all adjacent property's around drug areas or dealers. ASSUMING most of those are upgraded there will be some serious coin leaving the server. If Link to comment
Featured Comment Mitch (IFRIT) Posted September 13, 2021 Author Featured Comment Report Share Posted September 13, 2021 Electric bills will be removed and future changes will be announced Joe ., Grizz, DS_Billy and 11 others like this Link to comment
Aristant Posted September 14, 2021 Report Share Posted September 14, 2021 53 minutes ago, Mitch (IFRIT) said: Electric bills will be removed and future changes will be announced thank god. Maybe next time before you make a change like that inform the community and get feedback before you hit them with an L when they login. Link to comment
MASTER246C Posted September 14, 2021 Report Share Posted September 14, 2021 I think instead of an electricity bill make a car insurance, make a monthly tax on people using brackets so that depending on how much money you have (tax brackets). the people who have hundreds of millions of dollars vs the people that have 1mil and the people that have 50k in there account should not be charged the same for house bills. The electric bill will also crash the housing market on the server and making houses something that when you are not active as much as dh not worth it. sorry for possible grammar errors I'm retarded. Link to comment
Mitch (IFRIT) Posted September 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, Aristant said: thank god. Maybe next time before you make a change like that inform the community and get feedback before you hit them with an L when they login. You have not been here long enough if you think that's an L upon login Crossfade, GravL, Mason and 4 others like this Link to comment
Aristant Posted September 14, 2021 Report Share Posted September 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mitch (IFRIT) said: You have not been here long enough if you think that's an L upon login No, I see the potential in this. The housing market is flooded and it's an issue. Something needs to be done to combat it, but I feel this was not it, and could of been combatted by seeing peoples opinions in it before launching is all. Of couse we appreciate the effort to fix the issue. Link to comment
Mitch (IFRIT) Posted September 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Aristant said: No, I see the potential in this. The housing market is flooded and it's an issue. Something needs to be done to combat it, but I feel this was not it, and could of been combatted by seeing peoples opinions in it before launching is all. Of couse we appreciate the effort to fix the issue. People will never advocate to nerf their gameplay. Shit i know in any other game I wouldn't. The other options on the table are not the greatest. I was really hoping that this would work to solve issues and still allow people to maintain their current housing habits with a little work on their behalf. The other options remove that ability sadly. Link to comment
Aristant Posted September 14, 2021 Report Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mitch (IFRIT) said: People will never advocate to nerf their gameplay. Shit i know in any other game I wouldn't. The other options on the table are not the greatest. I was really hoping that this would work to solve issues and still allow people to maintain their current housing habits with a little work on their behalf. The other options remove that ability sadly. What about dropping how many houses can be owned? Or maybe even making a main house or something like that and then you have to pay to keep more, something rolling along those lines. Because punishment to new players with this can be difficult, but by not shoving a fee in their face they would be happier and have more of an edge than those established, and having less houses more houses would open up to the market. Edited September 14, 2021 by Aristant Link to comment
Dan. Posted September 14, 2021 Report Share Posted September 14, 2021 33 minutes ago, Aristant said: thank god. Maybe next time before you make a change like that inform the community and get feedback before you hit them with an L when they login. I still think ya'll crying over nothing. acting like it's the end of the world lol. Link to comment
babooshka Posted September 14, 2021 Report Share Posted September 14, 2021 feeling blessed ill never have to pay the electric bill for the gang fortress that i always own 544heu, jsh, TRYHARD and 2 others like this Link to comment
Sheriff Rick Posted September 14, 2021 Report Share Posted September 14, 2021 Obviously I don't get to see the same data Mitch and devs see and experiences vary. But I don't really see a major issue with housing aside from hoarding ( Which I am defining as someone who doesn't play but logs in once every month ) and the lengths some people go to snatch up and sell high value houses. My gang of mostly casual players hasn't really had a problem getting into areas other than Pyrgos being difficult due to a scarce amount of houses there. It tends to take cooperation with the people you play with and having the trust to share resources in order to buy more expensive houses. Part of the reason I think its not so bad is due to the fact that money making is easier than ever before but the trade off being is that certain houses cost millions. The way I see it is that there is more of a house hunting problem than there is a problem with players purchasing a house and actively using it. Which if that is the case, it might be better to nerf flipping houses and house hoarding, although doing so might mess with the market in negative ways. Daryl Dixon likes this Link to comment
Recommended Posts
Posted by Mitch (IFRIT),
14 reactions
Go to this post