Remove cop ifrits

[Protocol]

Plain and simple. This was sort of the major downfall in the APD. The whole point of cops not having Frits is so that the rebels could actually have a chance to escape. This would  be a good idea if that tempest/hemmet respawn truck for cops is actually happening. Either way it’s still boring to fight cops with Frits. The regular armor is fine as long as you don’t drive like an idiot. 

[Cowboy Justin]

There's hardly enough cops online as it is due to federal event spam and you're suggesting to remove something that actually allows the APD a better chance to fight rebels. Rebels aren't supposed to win every fight and there's hardly ever anyone with the rank to pull ifrits. 

3 hours ago, Dillon said:

Either way it’s still boring to fight cops with Frits

lol

[Protocol]

17 minutes ago, Cowboy Justin said:

There's hardly enough cops online as it is due to federal event spam and you're suggesting to remove something that actually allows the APD a better chance to fight rebels. Rebels aren't supposed to win every fight and there's hardly ever anyone with the rank to pull ifrits. 

lol

WHAT FEDERAL EVENTS? no one is doing anything except banks ur actually delusional. not only that but ur a paramedic so you have 0 clue what ur talking about. go back to ur roleplay faction reviving people in kavala 🤡 

[Niels]

3 hours ago, Dillon said:

Plain and simple. This was sort of the major downfall in the APD. The whole point of cops not having Frits is so that the rebels could actually have a chance to escape. This would  be a good idea if that tempest/hemmet respawn truck for cops is actually happening. Either way it’s still boring to fight cops with Frits. The regular armor is fine as long as you don’t drive like an idiot. 

[Protocol]

7 minutes ago, Nielsen said:

🤡

[Cowboy Justin]

23 minutes ago, Dillon said:

WHAT FEDERAL EVENTS? no one is doing anything except banks ur actually delusional. not only that but ur a paramedic so you have 0 clue what ur talking about. go back to ur roleplay faction reviving people in kavala 🤡 

I think it's clearly you who has no idea what you're talking about. Ask any active cop on the server about federal event spam and you will hear the opposite of what you're stating. You have 6.5 hours on cop in the last 30 days though so of course you're extremely versed on the subject. Also using the term "roleplay faction" as an insult on a roleplay server kinda hints as to why you're on this one and complaining about an actual fair fight. You'd rather get those sweet sweet easy kills on people here to actually have fun so you can get that big ol' bounty up. 

[Protocol]

1 minute ago, Cowboy Justin said:

I think it's clearly you who has no idea what you're talking about. Ask any active cop on the server about federal event spam and you will hear the opposite of what you're stating. You have 6.5 hours on cop in the last 30 days though so of course you're extremely versed on the subject. Also using the term "roleplay faction" as an insult on a roleplay server kinda hints as to why you're on this one and complaining about an actual fair fight. You'd rather get those sweet sweet easy kills on people here to actually have fun so you can get that big ol' bounty up. 

if you ask any of the old players if its more fun the current way it is or the way it was back in 2016-2018 they will tell you 2016-18. The Rebels are suppose to have an advantage over the apd. whenever I fight fed events on cop I love the fights as they are usually fun. issue with you guys is YOU want to win everytime which you won't which then leads you to complain and then what do you know cops have frits now! Rebels obviously aren't suppose to win everytime either but they should win MOST of the time. it should be made fair not based on giving them the same vehicles or guns but the skill of the people playing. maybe thats why I have more fun playing cop then you and I don't complain but hey thats just me. Also its a light roleplay server if you want heavy roleplay go play garrysmod where you have to do /me's or go and play anzus where after everyfight you have to revive the opposing side.

[Defragments]

Just now, Dillon said:

if you ask any of the old players if its more fun the current way it is or the way it was back in 2016-2018 they will tell you 2016-18.

16-18 was golden

[NotMike]

cop disagrees with suggestion that nerfs cop who would have guessed it. Cops need to stick to their hunters and Striders like they always had.

[Austin M]

Why was this even posted in the apd suggestions?

[Protocol]

3 minutes ago, Austin M said:

Why was this even posted in the apd suggestions?

because its a suggestion for the APD and not a server suggestion?

Edited June 15, 2022 by Dillon

[Rogue]

How would you change the usage of ifirits if we didnt take them away from the APD? @Dillon

[Nicolas March]

5 hours ago, Dillon said:

Plain and simple. This was sort of the major downfall in the APD. The whole point of cops not having Frits is so that the rebels could actually have a chance to escape. This would  be a good idea if that tempest/hemmet respawn truck for cops is actually happening. Either way it’s still boring to fight cops with Frits. The regular armor is fine as long as you don’t drive like an idiot. 

If your too bad of a player to kill someone in a ifrit, just say it!

[Protocol]

20 minutes ago, RoguePilot said:

How would you change the usage of ifirits if we didnt take them away from the APD? @Dillon

Limit them to one captain each. They should be considered highly valuable vehicle

 

[Sheriff Rick]

What are the win rates for federal events if you exclude prison and bank?

[NotMike]

Make APD Ifrits the same price as civ ifrits so they have the same value to both factions. That will curb the severe overusage of APD ifrits.

[Rogue]

If we remove ifrits what would you give the cops instead? @Dillon

[Protocol]

3 minutes ago, RoguePilot said:

If we remove ifrits what would you give the cops instead? @Dillon

More slots for Swat. as cops with MK's don't matter as much as a frit full of cops with MK's

 

Edited June 15, 2022 by Dillon

[Michael L]

12 minutes ago, NotMike said:

That will curb the severe overusage of APD ifrits.

You have to be satire, there's no way you can unironically say this. Ifrits and armour are underused in general, literally look through these forums at the threads of people complaining about it, because higher-ups don't pull sufficiently (or organise pushes to prevent 1-by-1 hatchback rushes). There's only like 6 active people who play in game as LT, plus Captains, so it's not like 20 of these are getting pulled every event?

6 hours ago, Dillon said:

Either way it’s still boring to fight cops with Frits

It's boring to fight rebels sat on a roof that's borderline impossible to push because the stairs throw you off half the time and kill you. But we get told to suck it up.

Anyway, I'm happy to talk about removing cop ifrits but rebels can lose 7.62 as the tradeoff 🙂

[Ranger]

1 hour ago, RoguePilot said:

How would you change the usage of ifirits if we didnt take them away from the APD? @Dillon

Remove ifrits completely. hard push meta

[Zurph]

They are hardly pulled and when they are pulled most of the people that pull them do nothing with them because they are scared to lose money. I doubt the APD having ifrits really have any effect on how federal events are lost by civs.

[Patato]

1 hour ago, Dillon said:

because its a suggestion for the APD and not a server suggestion?

APD suggestions are really more for things in the Captain control (Policy, Rank structure, SWAT/Mock requirements. ect)
If you need a dev to actually go in and change something its usually better suited to go in the normal suggestion box. Doesn't really matter either way though as it all gets seen. You just might not get a hard yes/no from a dev if you put it here.

[Protocol]

14 minutes ago, Michael L said:

 

It's boring to fight rebels sat on a roof that's borderline impossible to push because the stairs throw you off half the time and kill you. But we get told to suck it up.

Anyway, I'm happy to talk about removing cop ifrits but rebels can lose 7.62 as the tradeoff 🙂

the original bank had a ladder you had to climb to get to the roof instead of the stairs. sooooooo

[skimancole]

Lol I think there's a grand total of 2 LT's who willingly pull Ifrits. If we really wanted to reduce the Ifrit count, then make a limit of like 2 per LT so ifrit spam doesn't occur. But limiting it to 1 per Captain who gets on every blue moon is absurd.

And yes, we aren't supposed to win every fed event. But without ifrits, we've recently been losing nearly EVERY SINGLE ONE to the point the economy started feeling the affects. Ifrit's give us a slightly better chance. You start losing, and come here crying. You aren't supposed to win every time either pal.

 

 

You can't handle a bunch of players with maybe 100 hours dropping out of ifrits (that they've maybe never even driven before) but you can handle 1000+ hour cartel players rushing in 7+ frits? Sound's like you just want to make fed event's slaughterhouses. With dwindling APD numbers, this is NOT the answer. Taking from the APD is a god awful idea currently unless we want to kill the APD off completely @RoguePilot

[Kraken]

7 hours ago, Dillon said:

Plain and simple. This was sort of the major downfall in the APD. The whole point of cops not having Frits is so that the rebels could actually have a chance to escape. This would  be a good idea if that tempest/hemmet respawn truck for cops is actually happening. Either way it’s still boring to fight cops with Frits. The regular armor is fine as long as you don’t drive like an idiot. 

Remove Frits for Civs as well if you want to make it fair. While your at it give all ranks MK1s so everyone is on the same playing field.

[Protocol]

5 minutes ago, skimancole said:

Lol I think there's a grand total of 2 LT's who willingly pull Ifrits. If we really wanted to reduce the Ifrit count, then make a limit of like 2 per LT so ifrit spam doesn't occur. But limiting it to 1 per Captain who gets on every blue moon is absurd.

And yes, we aren't supposed to win every fed event. But without ifrits, we've recently been losing nearly EVERY SINGLE ONE to the point the economy started feeling the affects. Ifrit's give us a slightly better chance. You start losing, and come here crying. You aren't supposed to win every time either pal.

 

 

You can't handle a bunch of players with maybe 100 hours dropping out of ifrits (that they've maybe never even driven before) but you can handle 1000+ hour cartel players rushing in 7+ frits? Sound's like you just want to make fed event's slaughterhouses. With dwindling APD numbers, this is NOT the answer. Taking from the APD is a god awful idea currently unless we want to kill the APD off completely @RoguePilot

2016-2018 was a prime time of asylum. Cops didn't have frits back then. you shouldn't be given hand me downs to compensate for a skill gap. you should force the bad players to get better. Wokka and RDM cqc servers are open 24/7 for people to play on and practice. 

[Kraken]

3 minutes ago, Dillon said:

2016-2018 was a prime time of asylum. Cops didn't have frits back then. you shouldn't be given hand me downs to compensate for a skill gap. you should force the bad players to get better. Wokka and RDM cqc servers are open 24/7 for people to play on and practice. 

Your argument doesn't make sense, If you truly want a even playing field then everyone should have access to the same gear and vehicles.

Maybe 10% of the APD has access to the vehicles and weapons you have, how is that an advantage?

[Protocol]

2 minutes ago, Kraken said:

Remove Frits for Civs as well if you want to make it fair. While your at it give all ranks MK1s so everyone is on the same playing field.

Rebels are meant to have an advantage. As I said when I play cop I have a blast fighting fed events. it boils down to it being a skill issue at the end of the day. 

[Innate]

If you take ifrits from cops a majority of higher ups the APD in general will go back to playing sniper elite as they have less effective ways to push. I don't think that makes it a fun event for either side honestly.

[Kraken]

1 minute ago, Dillon said:

Rebels are meant to have an advantage. As I said when I play cop I have a blast fighting fed events. it boils down to it being a skill issue at the end of the day. 

They already have an advantage though, I don't understand your point. They get to defend a point vs push a point. They get access to every piece of gear, weapon and vehicles that 90% of the APD doesn't have access to..

[Protocol]

1 minute ago, Kraken said:

Your argument doesn't make sense, If you truly want a even playing field then everyone should have access to the same gear and vehicles.

Its not suppose to be an even playing field is the point REBELS ARE SUPPOSE TO HAVE AN ADVANTAGE.  2016-2018 era APD did not have frits and they performed fine. 

[Kraken]

8 minutes ago, Kraken said:

They already have an advantage though, I don't understand your point. They get to defend a point vs push a point. They get access to every piece of gear, weapon and vehicles that 90% of the APD doesn't have access to..

 

7 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Its not suppose to be an even playing field is the point REBELS ARE SUPPOSE TO HAVE AN ADVANTAGE.  2016-2018 era APD did not have frits and they performed fine. 

 

[skimancole]

7 minutes ago, Dillon said:

Its not suppose to be an even playing field is the point REBELS ARE SUPPOSE TO HAVE AN ADVANTAGE.  2016-2018 era APD did not have frits and they performed fine. 

That was 2016-2018. This is 2022. Playbases change and numbers decline. We also had 4 servers back then. We obviously aren't in the same spot so stop using that argument

 

And yes they should have an advantage and they still do. If you think a gang of 1000+ hour players sitting on a roof slaughtering 100 hour players, who might have just gotten their 25 hours to get cop or just bought the game, having to slam bank with a MX/Spar in a hatchback isn't enough then I don't know what to tell ya. That's just bad on y'alls part..

[Protocol]

3 minutes ago, Kraken said:

They already have an advantage though, I don't understand your point. They get to defend a point vs push a point. They get access to every piece of gear, weapon and vehicles that 90% of the APD doesn't have access to..

it needs to be a civ only vehicle. the purpose of the cops not having it was so the rebels could escape. the APD has more benefits than they have ever had before so it's turned to trying to make it more of a fair fight than a advantage. also idk what you mean by you don't have access to 90% of the gear civs do. you have access to practically everything and more it's just locked behind ranks.

[Kraken]

Just now, Dillon said:

it needs to be a civ only vehicle. the purpose of the cops not having it was so the rebels could escape. the APD has more benefits than they have ever had before so it's turned to trying to make it more of a fair fight than a advantage. also idk what you mean by you don't have access to 90% of the gear civs do. you have access to practically everything and more it's just locked behind ranks.

Its locked behind a rank that only 10% of the APD hold, your point of rebels being able to escape would imply that they should get away 100% of the time. 

[Sheriff Rick]

23 minutes ago, Dillon said:

2016-2018 was a prime time of asylum. 

Imo Asylum got way better after V2

[Protocol]

2 minutes ago, Kraken said:

Its locked behind a rank that only 10% of the APD hold, your point of rebels being able to escape would imply that they should get away 100% of the time. 

not exactly. plenty of other ways to follow a group of rebels escaping an event. you just shouldn't be on their necks with Armor 24/7 because you have a frit and they do too

[Nicolas March]

17 minutes ago, Dillon said:

not exactly. plenty of other ways to follow a group of rebels escaping an event. you just shouldn't be on their necks with Armor 24/7 because you have a frit and they do too

if you have a problem because your getting chased by a ifrit, why dont you get out and shoot them? only LTs can pull out ifrits, so if you kill them or disable the ifrit, you can be confident a other one wont show up

[Good Lub]

maybe make ifrits SGT+ swat only.Kind of making it even for both sides and preventing certain LTs from grabbing ifrits and running away.Also 95% of the time cops are bundled together with little to no organization and teamwork and the rebels usually win.Its a skill issue at the end of the day.

[|Cam|]

1 hour ago, Sheriff Rick said:

Imo Asylum got way better after V2

say sike right now