APD Federal Event/Money Problems

[King]

Obviously everyone struggles with money or has heard about other peoples' money problems they have on the APD.  We have also either experienced it for ourselves or heard of others dealing with Federal Events they don't want to deal with and either getting backlash for leaving after their 2 lives or complaining about losing money from going to it just to get smacked by rebels.  I've thrown together some ideas that could help both of these problems.

Federal Events - So right now you MUST respond to every single Federal Event and put at least 2 lives into it.

Possible Solution - Make it so you aren't required to go to certain Federal Events, possibly make it limited to Bank/Altis Shipping, any event where the goal of the civs is to just kill the APD because they are bored (An Alamo Fed for example).

 

Money Problems - Me personally I don't struggle with money but 90% of the APD does, especially CPL+, whether it's them buying loadouts or vehicles, whatever it may be.  Obviously you can just say "that's on them for buying crazy loadouts or modding/buying vehicles others can't or won't."  I think that's a stupid take as APD is already at a heavy disadvantage(as they should be) when carrying out their duties and also flat out APD isn't about making money, but this doesn't mean they should be driven into the dirt. When it comes to processing people, you are required to give them a chance to explain their bounty and what not to get a lower ticket/pardon/wait for sui vest.  Maybe just remove the explaining charges part because lets face it, the roleplay just isn't there like it's intended to be. 

 

Possible Solution - Get rid of explaining, if they turn themselves in give them a flat out half.  If they have a straight to jail offense then send them straight to jail regardless of how you got them in custody.  If you catch them just do the normal processing procedure minus the "do you want to explain your charges".  Obviously if the cop wants to still roleplay it out with the civ then great, let's do that and still give civs that genuinely want to roleplay have that chance, because it's about the only time the civ does get to roleplay(given it's not a troll with a soundboard or saying the same generic thing "oh self defense").  Bigger tickets means more money and civs really lose close to nothing when they go to jail.  Bigger tickets means more money for cops.  They pay no money to get sent and they can press plates for 5 minutes or try and win a Request Trial with other civs.

[Chris Peacock]

90% of the promotions I feel like are based on how police officers interact with not only other APD officers but civilians aswell. This would take a lot of the roleplay situations out of the equation. I think a solution to both these issues could be as simple as this require you to go to 2 fed events per hour (and give 2 lives). So if they are being spammed you aren’t forced to go to the later ones. Also a way to keep track would be a dev suggestion change the message if there has been more than 2 in that hour to say that the current fed event isn’t a required event. I think this could solve both issues without changing the roleplay aspect of the roleplay server

[Teddy_]

Kind of a shit take tbh "civs start fed events because they are bored" how many time does apd chase a guy endlessly across the map keep coming back to a certain spot endlessly because you should have left in your car in the 30 seconds it takes them to respawn or do rebel raids and justify it as well we are here as the punching bags for civs so you should have just won the fight.

But oh no civs are spamming fed events and i have to go fight them? I dont wanna T.T

Maybe just win the fight we are here for cops to arrest 😃

As for rhe mlney idc if they increase pay or whatever, if you strugfle making money on cop try doing a drug run on civ if money is such an issue.

 

 

[Donald]

This takes the cake for the shittiest cop suggestion of all time. Just wow.

[King]

1 hour ago, Donald said:

This takes the cake for the shittiest cop suggestion of all time. Just wow.

Elaborate

[王 rando 王]

I like my apd impoverished

[Michael L]

4 hours ago, Donald said:

This takes the cake for the shittiest cop suggestion of all time. Just wow.

This APD suggestion forum honestly needs to be deleted, constant clangers from vegetable brains these days. And all its doing is showing how far the APD has fallen off that troglodyte shit like this and the "Section F cadets" is the sum total of intelligence coming from higher ups

[william]

fed events are fun, only shitters that dont listen hate going to them

[Chris Peacock]

10 minutes ago, william said:

fed events are fun, only shitters that dont listen hate going to them

I agree with this but I think what I said is the best compromise for the cops that enjoy the fight vs cops that just wanna patrol 

[killer11]

How about an Inactive higher up make the effort to make his officers RP more rather then make them robocop every person that gives the APD a real fight. Even your LT MK loadout cost close to nothing. Cop isn’t a money-making faction, so go on civ to make money. It doesn’t matter if you get shit on in a fight, you should still make an effort to RP with civs and REDUCE their ticket price for their explaining instead of going to jail. The reason a civ would go to jail is not to waste his time getting a high ticket he can’t pay, because the cops are butthurt and you as an higher up should hold up to those standards and not make robo-coping a policy.

[skimancole]

bruh. You just suggested for cops to robocop everybody and not show up to federal events which pumps the economy with cash.

 

What in the fuck is this suggestion.

[Fitz]

On the first one, this has obviously been a problem for a while, and I don’t think that there’s any particular solution that works best.  People play the server to do feds, and as a career cop I get it, there are lots of times where I want to fight feds.  The issue IMO is that many feds are just fucked for cops.  Mental, driving like 4km after a mobile despawns to push again and again is tedious.  Jewelry isn’t great either on that regard.  Feds are fun because there’s a ton of different options to push and its close to an HQ. Bank is pretty good as well in terms of pushibility.  I would say that dynamizing the fed experience for cops is a better way to go about it, so people have a different fight every time like civs do instead of having to push up the same road to the same crack in a wall to get jamoozed by 4 mk200s.  Whether that be higher event specific cooldowns to incentivize doing different events, or changing how SWAT/APD responds to feds I’m not sure but I think they could also work.

In terms of the second suggestion I think that there is a better way of going about this, I don’t trust officer discretion on letting people explain their charges or offering an opportunity for anyone to act like that.  I feel re-adding the HVT policy for the APD would be far better and provide more latitude in terms of additional situations.  Especially with new players doing fed events, which has been happening from time to time, just getting a ticket is a detriment.

 

Edited September 14, 2023 by P.FitzWallace

[Innate]

Canna makes better suggestions than this

[King]

3 hours ago, skimancole said:

bruh. You just suggested for cops to robocop everybody and not show up to federal events which pumps the economy with cash.

 

What in the fuck is this suggestion.

Acting like this doesn't already happen

[Donald]

10 hours ago, King said:

Elaborate

Getting rid of the "would you like to explain your charges" will not do the server any good.

The APD, as a roleplay faction, should be concerned with trying to promote RP over anything else. Like @killer11said, if you want to make money go on civ. When civilians play the "when you're in Kavala" soundboard, interrupt them and ask them questions about their story. If they don't respond then you know they are using a soundboard. Give them a ticket.

I feel like the reason so many civs don't bother to RP anymore is because cops still give huge tickets when they do. Anecdotally, I've explained my charges with an original RP story about 10 times in the last month. Not once did I receive a pardon. 6 times out of 10 I got a half ticket. Why would civs go through 10 minutes of explaining just to get the same ticket they would've gotten from screaming slurs?

You are a training officer. Host some RP trainings. APD has the biggest potential to improve RP on the server and you are in a position to make it happen. But the answer is definitely not to just get rid of it altogether.

[DankBud]

just go to jail its max 20-30 min if you afk it, and like 10 if you press plates, long as the cops aint being dick heads/ cancer about the overall interaction....or ask for a cheaper ticket an pay it as worst case. Robocop your self , its less aggravation/annoying then thinking a cop is gonna give you a fair ticket when you do actually try an "rp" / explain the charges lol, imo its for the most part pointless to explain charges because all it takes is one salty PD an they already made there mind up when it comes time to process you.

[王 rando 王]

3 hours ago, Donald said:

When civilians play the "when you're in Kavala" soundboard, interrupt them and ask them questions about their story.

They were obviously lying to you from the start anyways. There has never been any crime in Kavala, why else would the cops never go there?

[Kernikov]

21 hours ago, killer11 said:

How about an Inactive higher up make the effort to make his officers RP more rather then make them robocop every person that gives the APD a real fight. Even your LT MK loadout cost close to nothing. Cop isn’t a money-making faction, so go on civ to make money. It doesn’t matter if you get shit on in a fight, you should still make an effort to RP with civs and REDUCE their ticket price for their explaining instead of going to jail. The reason a civ would go to jail is not to waste his time getting a high ticket he can’t pay, because the cops are butthurt and you as an higher up should hold up to those standards and not make robo-coping a policy.

The question is whether or not "cop mains" should be able to survive/sustain themselves on the server without playing civ to make money for their cop armour/mobiles/etc that you are expected to pull.

I am glad others are stepping up to make controversial posts, and it's very weird when killer11 is a voice of reason.

[Donald]

4 hours ago, Kernikov said:

The question is whether or not "cop mains" should be able to survive/sustain themselves on the server without playing civ to make money for their cop armour/mobiles/etc that you are expected to pull.

I am glad others are stepping up to make controversial posts, and it's very weird when killer11 is a voice of reason.

I don’t have a problem with cop mains being able to sustain themselves on cop. But the incentive to give high tickets to sustain that is an issue. Maybe the system of paying cops should change somehow to address this.
 

Cop mains tend to play so much and deal with so much shit from civs that they get disconnected from their actual purpose as police. Then they make posts like this. The APD forgets that its purpose is to serve the rest of the community and make the civilian experience more enjoyable. Seems like the current APD has strayed so far from that nowadays.

[KrazyKnight]

Add lethal payouts ez

[Batcan]

3 hours ago, Donald said:

I don’t have a problem with cop mains being able to sustain themselves on cop. But the incentive to give high tickets to sustain that is an issue. Maybe the system of paying cops should change somehow to address this.
 

Cop mains tend to play so much and deal with so much shit from civs that they get disconnected from their actual purpose as police. Then they make posts like this. The APD forgets that its purpose is to serve the rest of the community and make the civilian experience more enjoyable. Seems like the current APD has strayed so far from that nowadays.

This has become a faction that just wants to win and doesn't care about having fun

[killer11]

On 9/15/2023 at 3:53 PM, Kernikov said:

The question is whether or not "cop mains" should be able to survive/sustain themselves on the server without playing civ to make money for their cop armour/mobiles/etc that you are expected to pull.

I am glad others are stepping up to make controversial posts, and it's very weird when killer11 is a voice of reason.

3+ years active sgt , used to armor spam buy loadouts never got on civ and still made a lot of money on cop , you make money of drugs , and other small things .
And yes am not used to being a voice of reason either .

[DankBud]

On 9/15/2023 at 2:44 PM, KrazyKnight said:

Add lethal payouts ez

shut your whore mouth.. made fed events lame af

[zdeat]

On 9/14/2023 at 12:15 AM, King said:

Make it so you aren't required to go to certain Federal Events, possibly make it limited to Bank/Altis Shipping, any event where the goal of the civs is to just kill the APD because they are bored (An Alamo Fed for example)

So a bank pops and the 4 cops online don’t wanna respond to it, rebels just get a free 180k? If I saw someone do this they’d be blacklisted from swat.

I’d love to be able to robocop everyone and just give 100% or 150% tickets but as a role play faction this is just not going to ever happen. 

Instead being back something like HVT, or allow certain rooms in HQs to be locked down. Highest bounty goes in there, can’t be suid since the door would be locked for rebels. 

[Akeelagi]

9 hours ago, zdeat said:

Instead being back something like HVT, or allow certain rooms in HQs to be locked down. Highest bounty goes in there, can’t be suid since the door would be locked for rebels.

i think that would be reasonable, just make it so the rebels have a way of unlocking the door so its not once the person gets locked in there they are guaranteed ticket or jail. 

[王 rando 王]

HVT was fucking gay. Literally invented to give the powerless emotionally broken retards on their last reason the slightest power trip imaginable by robocopping the fuck out of the person responsible for reminding them how worthless they are. It’s not hard to lock an HQ down to properly process a restrained person while giving them the chance to talk their way out of their ticket, you literally process them in your own spawn point and typically a building which is easy to defend and you typically outnumber the group opposing you. And if you can’t manage that then fly them to Kavala HQ where you get infinite respawns with no cooldown (which is a fucking joke in its own right). Or if you’re complaining because you can’t even get the chance to down and restrain a rebel then get better. The only person who is at fault for your inability to be successful at anything is you.

[Bherky]

You are thinking into this too much..

Ticketing: You are not required to reduce anyone's ticket... (some people may deserve a reduction, but ultimately it is your choice). If reducing someones ticket is distressing you to an extent that you feel rules need to be changed, then don't reduce it, just suck it up and stick by your choice.

Money: Give me the name of any person complaining about how much money they spend, I'll take one look at their bank account and I promise you each and every time that they will have millions in their bank account. On the flip side, the people who are sub $1 million need to take a break and focus on money saving/making for a small period of time.

"Pointless events": A small change in mindset goes a long way. There is no such thing as a pointless event. Sure, the rebels may not be trying to benefit from the event (like an Alamo), but why does that matter to you? There's less on the line for you to lose. It's an opportunity to arrest the highest bounties on the server. My advice is that you change the way you think of "pointless events", work more on teamwork, and focus on one on one teaching for those that are less experienced (trainings are not effective, 1:1 is much more effective). Stop yourself from thinking that these events are the rebels trying to piss you off or shit on you (this is a reoccurring complaint I've heard), instead think of it as an opportunity. After all, this is just another part of the game. 

[Kawaii]

52 minutes ago, Bherky said:

Stop yourself from thinking that these events are the rebels trying to piss you off or shit on you (this is a reoccurring complaint I've heard), instead think of it as an opportunity. After all, this is just another part of the game. 

Absolutely correct. That is Bamboo Unions job and no rebel/cartel gaylords are going to take that away from us

[Michael L]

3 hours ago, Bherky said:

Ticketing: You are not required to reduce anyone's ticket... (some people may deserve a reduction, but ultimately it is your choice). If reducing someones ticket is distressing you to an extent that you feel rules need to be changed, then don't reduce it, just suck it up and stick by your choice.

uh. Yeah you are. it's literally the second line of the processing part of the guidebook. feel free to take this advice and enjoy the points you get for robocopping I guess. Please delete this thread and delete this forum before more people embarass themselves saying retarded shit I am begging you @HunterB @Jr4life24

[王 rando 王]

4 minutes ago, Michael L said:

uh. Yeah you are. it's literally the second line of the processing part of the guidebook. feel free to take this advice and enjoy the points you get for robocopping I guess. Please delete this thread and delete this forum before more people embarass themselves saying retarded shit I am begging you @HunterB @Jr4life24

“Civilians that make good attempts to roleplay should be rewarded with a reduced ticket or a pardon based on the officers discretion. If you feel someone is not giving you sufficient roleplay, then question them more about their story.”

“Constables and higher are allowed to decrease ticket prices based on the civilians roleplay and explanation of their crimes.”

Neither of these say you are required to give a reduced ticket. The quality of a player’s roleplay attempt is up to the officer’s discretion. If you don’t deem it worthy and can argue a case as to why it’s not worthy then you are more than welcomed to decline giving a lower ticket. It’s not robocopping if you can make an actual case in an IA as to why you did what you did.

 

kinda embarrassing.

[Michael L]

9 minutes ago, 王 rando 王 said:

Neither of these say you are required to give a reduced ticket. The quality of a player’s roleplay attempt is up to the officer’s discretion. If you don’t deem it worthy and can argue a case as to why it’s not worthy then you are more than welcomed to decline giving a lower ticket. It’s not robocopping if you can make an actual case in an IA as to why you did what you did.

 

If someone gives a full and articulate explanation of their charges and you proceed to issue them the full ticket they started at then I cannot think of any defense to that whatsoever that would make it not robocopping. But like I said, people can go crazy with his advice just don't be surprised when "discretion" doesn't save them from failure to RP points

 

I would add that the "should" is definetely an instruction statement. It's used elsewhere throughout the guidebook for that purpose. The reduction amount or pardon is officer's discretion, the fact that good roleplay invites a reduction isn't.

Edited September 18, 2023 by Michael L

[王 rando 王]

43 minutes ago, Michael L said:

If someone gives a full and articulate explanation of their charges and you proceed to issue them the full ticket they started at then I cannot think of any defense to that whatsoever that would make it not robocopping.

They’re asylum players… they don’t even know what articulate means. 90% of the “role play” you’re gonna get is “Yea I was on my way to your moms house and 15 big black men tried to jump me, so I used my legal rook and shot them all. I did it to protect me and even your mother. Then afterwards I piledrived your mom in your childhood bedroom.”

[王 rando 王]

54 minutes ago, Michael L said:

I would add that the "should" is definetely an instruction statement. It's used elsewhere throughout the guidebook for that purpose. The reduction amount or pardon is officer's discretion, the fact that good roleplay invites a reduction isn't.

Oh and for your argument of “should” being an instruction, that’s not entirely true. Every other instance of the word “should” in that whole section is either followed by never or always: “the officer should always” & “the officer should never”. So either in that instance it is not a mandatory statement, or it’s ambiguous and could easily be argued in an IA.

[Bherky]

On 9/18/2023 at 4:02 PM, Michael L said:

uh. Yeah you are. it's literally the second line of the processing part of the guidebook. feel free to take this advice and enjoy the points you get for robocopping I guess. Please delete this thread and delete this forum before more people embarass themselves saying retarded shit I am begging you @HunterB @Jr4life24

 

That is not "robocopping". You're the only one embarrassing yourself. Being a dick cop is one thing, however, giving a ticket based off of your own discretion is another.

Of course roleplay is encouraged and is why we can reduce tickets, BUT you are not required to reduce their ticket because they committed the crime. I don't think it's that difficult to comprehend. Reduction in ticketing (aside from nonaggressive/nonevasive) is a privilege for civilians. (but shouldn't be abused by APD) 

(Yes, you don't need to be a dick by not reducing their ticket, especially in malicious intent, and it is frowned upon. If YOU believe their reasoning for their crimes is understandable, then by all means you should reduce it, BUT it's up to your discretion AND should not be abused.) People in the APD are whitelisted for a reason, if you can't make good judgement calls then you'll be talked to.

Stop being so fucking soft.

 

[Moneyz]

I feel most cops that don't like fed spams are not only because of the amount of times the APD are under staffed and/or under equipped but also most of time that APD do win, they are forced to hear suspects at PD explain killing numerous cops and 1-5 fed event charges and waiting for the aforementioned sui vest.

Civs are the ones who willfully are prompting these fed events and thus forcing the cops to participate and 99% of the time the civs do not do it for the roleplay. So let's just emphasize it for what it is, a straight up PVP mechanic so the extent of RP'ing should be optional on both sides.

How about if cops arrest someone during an active fed you, they must process them at any PD by giving them a full ticket. If they refuse, you must MANUALLY transport them to the prison and send them from there to give the civs a chance to still save their comrades. This then still gives the civs the excitement of PVP at the starting site and a part similar to the convoy events when there is a physical transport of the prisoner. This also gives the cops who are losing morale the choice to RP or not since they are forced into such a drastic crime and major PVP mechanic.

I also really like zdeat's idea too about the HVT room.

 

[skimancole]

On 9/20/2023 at 11:49 PM, Bherky said:

 

That is not "robocopping". You're the only one embarrassing yourself. Being a dick cop is one thing, however, giving a ticket based off of your own discretion is another.

Of course roleplay is encouraged and is why we can reduce tickets, BUT you are not required to reduce their ticket because they committed the crime. I don't think it's that difficult to comprehend. Reduction in ticketing (aside from nonaggressive/nonevasive) is a privilege for civilians. (but shouldn't be abused by APD) 

(Yes, you don't need to be a dick by not reducing their ticket, especially in malicious intent, and it is frowned upon. If YOU believe their reasoning for their crimes is understandable, then by all means you should reduce it, BUT it's up to your discretion AND should not be abused.) People in the APD are whitelisted for a reason, if you can't make good judgement calls then you'll be talked to.

Stop being so fucking soft.

 

Bro no matter what bullshit "discretion" excuses you use, if you issue a kid a full ticket after he RP's with you (even if it's shit) it's robocopping which can be reported and given points for. it's embarrassing you're advocating to fuck over other players for an online e-ticket holy shit 🤡

it's a cops and robbers game calm down