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    Coffee and Donuts Thread

    in Helpful Topics

    Posted · Edited by M0T4RD

    Officers name(s): @Apache Warrior

    Reason for appraisal: This happened a few weeks ago, nothing commemorative, he was just doing what he was supposed to do but I feel he deserves an appraisal for this:

    Myself and another Sergeant thought we'd take our entourage over to precinct 3 one night because our home precinct was extremely boring as we had cleared most of the bounties there. When we arrived, we immediately notice 5-7 cops except for 2 others, one of the 2 being Apache, cluttered up in Kavala. Soon after, we receive a ping of some well known gang members and we race on over to see if we can locate them. After awhile of us being hot on their trail, we setup a trap around DP 14 knowing that they would all come. The Sergeant requested backup as we were getting ready and Apache Warrior, even though he and another officer were involved in another situation volunteered to come on over. Another 10-15 minutes pass by, and the gang in reference showed up as we had foreseen and we quickly became engaged in a firefight in which Apache Warrior took down all but 3 or 4 of their gang members out of about 8-10 of them. I think he and the other officer deserve some recognition for it because although they were busy like the other cops in Kavala, whom we had requested backup from numerous times, they showed up and they were the reasons we were able to catch a fully armed, good rebel gang with 6 cops while only taking 1 casualty.

    Suggested Reward(s): 5k? Free MX loadout and some recognition?

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  9. Smart individuals join the APD

    in Suggestions and Feedback (archived)

    Posted · Edited by M0T4RD

    19 hours ago, Nighteyes said:

    And to get back on track, if you think some higherups are abusing their powers then report them. It's as simple as that.

    I think we were originally discussing about things that weren't against APD policy. Don't know where this thread went recently but it is slowly becoming shit I can agree with that. I'd just say that we should all scroll up and copy and paste our own suggestions into that new little section the Captains made for suggestions.

  10. Jailing Suggestion

    in Suggestions and Feedback (archived)

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Kryptonn said:

    If i dont Plan to pardon someone, I make sure to tell them before they rp that their ticket will not be lowered, so I don't waste their time.

    I thought I was the only person that was courteous haha I mean I atleast give off that vibe ahead of time so you know you're not getting anything reduced and I'm usually pretty lenient.

  11. Smart individuals join the APD

    in Suggestions and Feedback (archived)

    Posted · Edited by M0T4RD

    15 minutes ago, Creic said:

     

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    There will always be a "You have to suck dick to get promoted" vs "You don't have to suck dick to get promoted", but the honest truth is the EASIEST way to get promoted is by sucking dick. I've watched several people, who Cadets outshine, make it to Sgt and LT. Reinforcing already bad RP/Knowledge of the APD Procedure with a high rank is a sure fire way to make the force worse.

    Something needs to give within the APD at this point. I'm getting tired of Cops who play mostly civ getting hella salty, and thinking they know the guidebook when they blatantly know fuck all about it. I'm concerned for how easily people are making it to Constable, just last night I watched a solo Constable land his little bird in Kavala square - Which, by the way, killed a civilian. He left his heli on the spawn, obstructing civs, and decided to go off on one at me when I impounded his heli and told him to go read the helicopter guide. He responded by logging to Civ, and flying an Orca over us to disrupt our direct communication (How does someone like that even pass their ride-along?) He was very quickly taken care of by a member of MoB (Thank you very much, whoever that was) and lost his Orca in the process.

    I've been CL'd on by people of the rank of Constable and Corporal, and I've attempted to kidnap a Corporal before which ended in him repeatedly exiting the vehicle to try and kill himself in restraints. And, of course, I submit IADs (or go directly to an LT, in the case of last night) to get the people taken care of. A few days later I see most of these people still at their rank. And no doubt, if they gag on enough higher ups, they will be promoted not long after these incidents.

    Perhaps I'm just a bit harsh, but in all of these instances I'd have booted them back to Cadet and told them to learn or get off the force. How difficult is it to read the required documents? Punishments need to be more than just a slap on the wrist, especially if there is clear evidence of people messing up.

    Nvm I'm erasing this because I'm done here I've probably pissed off enough higher ups for an entire promotion cycle but those things needed to be addressed by someone somewhere some day a a few months ago but I'm done with the thread now

  16. Smart individuals join the APD

    in Suggestions and Feedback (archived)

    Posted · Edited by M0T4RD

    30 minutes ago, Buckwalter said:

    I spent like 8 minutes typing this man. You cut me deep just now Whiskey. Cut me real deep man. 

    All joking aside, I haven't read through the entire thread, so I don't know if people have been saying it over and over. I just know that when I see comments like this, I feel compelled to try and provide an alternative perspective. Higher-ups get access to a lot of stuff, so making sure they're trustworthy and well suited for the position is really important. 

    But next time, I'll add some Michael Bay style explosions and an M. Night Shyamalan style twist ending to make the movie a bit more exciting haha. 

     

     

    Na man it's just that I've seen so many higher ranking people in the APD say the same thing in the past when it really wasn't an honest and true response to the subject but it was a good response to make people feel reassured about their concerns. I don't think the problem is that people can't be professional enough and follow rules, it's the fact that we don't have enough real leaders and people who set a good example in game on the APD side of things. They all look good on paper though. As you stated, in the past if you had a tactical suggestion, no matter your rank, throw it out there and most of the time the higher ups may give a try or consider it and it used to be that way and sometimes it was beneficial and other times it hurt the APD tactically, but that isn't the case anymore. Now we have Sergeants who tell you "be quiet and listen to me and this is what we're going to do and I don't want any talking besides me." That's what they say now when you suggest something and then you end up in an orca with 10 cops and nobody on the ground attempting a hot drop on the barracks at the prison. To be honest though, I wouldn't mind that kind of treatment from a higher up who has the potential to lead us to victory, but if you don't know what the fuck you're doing tactically, don't take that oppurtunity from someone who would probably know more than you. Another problem is that even though most of the current higher ups are fully capable of following all the rules, I get the sense that some of them think they wouldn't be held accountable for bending/breaking rules that are clearly stated in the APD guidebook because some of them act like they're the most important thing in the server when they get in game until someone of a higher rank or an admin gets around and then they're all goody 2 shoes.

    EDIT:

    To add on the RP side, I don't know about anyone else but I've been playing cop for about a month and a half straight now and I don't even remember the last time I seen a Lieutenant RP with someone except for those old Lieutenants that you see every once and a while who got on cop because they felt like roleplaying today. I have seen plenty of Sergeants RP'ing though I can say that much.

  17. Smart individuals join the APD

    in Suggestions and Feedback (archived)

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, Buckwalter said:

    As a former Lt, I'd like to address some of these points. But keep in mind, I stepped down like 9 months ago, so things could be different now.  

    First and foremost, the APD isn't perfect, there are problems and inefficiencies that could be improved upon. That is a concession I'll readily make. 

    Now onto specifics, there seems to be a misconception that good players are passed over and RPers are shown preference. That's a false dichotomy, good players can roleplay and RPers can be good. But the assumption that roleplay ability is the only desirable trait is overly simplistic. RP ability is subjective so aside from the amorphous descriptors of good or bad it can't really be nailed down and thus can't be taken into account too heavily when considering promotions. It's great, but it's not the only consideration.

    I'd contend that understanding and adhering to the rules is the characteristic that is most important. Higher-ups do much more than leading in game, their primary duties are administrative within the APD. Going over applications, performing interviews and ridealongs, answering questions and handling disciplinary action. So you can see why their ability to get headshots or be great strategists come secondary to their demeanor, interpersonal skills and reliability. 

    As for the specific need for skilled players in the APD; they're always an added bonus and sound tactical leadership is often the difference between a disastrous bloodbath and an evenly matched, exciting battle. So irrespective of rank, if you feel you have a good idea in combat, don't hesitate to suggest it. Most higher ups will be glad to try it out. It is a game after all, so why not? Take the initiative and I think you'll be pleasantly surprised to see that people are receptive and it may even bolster your promotion chances for people to see you taking initiative. 

    Additionally, the notion that you have to suck dick to get promoted is patently false. Being a suck up is the quickest way to harpoon your chances. It's obvious and obnoxious. The best way to improve your chances is just play with higher-ups enough that they know that you know the rules and are able to see how well you work with others and know that you aren't a perennial fuck up. No fellatio required. 

    Lastly, suggesting that players who are skilled in combat should be promoted in order to foster roleplaying would be putting the cart before the horse. As an APD officer you are expected to role play, unconditionally. That is not, nor has it ever been predicated on promotion. As a cop, you're providing a utility; aiding player experience, providing an opposition force for rebels and teaching newer officers. If you aren't interested in doing these things absent an incentive, APD leadership might not be a role you're interested in.  

    In summation, if you're after a promotion make sure you know the rules and follow them, get along well with others, demonstrate these qualities while playing with higher-ups. RPing well or being an MLG headshot machine are added bonuses, but far from the primary concerns. 

     

    TL;DR: Getting promoted is more about managerial potential than RP ability or skill. Follow the rules, be professional, affable and competent and you're golden. 

    I love you Buckwalter you're chill as fuck nothing against you, but I feel like these responses to this subject have gotten old and they're played out. It's like watching a good movie over and over again until you think you've seen enough of it and it's time for something new. Don't take it to heart no pun intended

  19. Stop the ticket before explanation...

    in Suggestions and Feedback (archived)

    Posted · Edited by M0T4RD

    13 hours ago, Hakeem said:

    Ok so the reason behind this suggestion/feedback is cops already have so many cheap tactics to win, authorizing lethals when you dont like a group of people aka gang or just because  you are losing a firefight or the simple fact that you can be robocopped because they dont like you (or your gang) and now lately I've seen a lot of cops using the (as soon as we get to the HQ) "Ok sir Im gonna give you your ticket and THEN you can explain your crimes" like what is the reasoning behind this? specially when you have a big bounty, 150k+ are cops really afraid of losing a guy with a big bounty?. And yes I play as a cop too, and I understand that you guys do this so they cant save his gangmate from the police but this is the problem, why not? why is that most of the cops think they HAVE to win all the time. In my opinion what you should do is notify the APD you have a "Big Criminal" ask for backup so you have cops guarding the HQ and then you can easily process the guy and at the end if the guy is sent to jail you all win, if you dont and they save his friend well you lost, accept it. Maybe it could be ok if there was like 5 or less cops in game but lately we have 15 cops+ most of the time and they keep doing this.

    so, reasons why they(admins and captains) should take a look at this (TLDR)

    -Feels like breaking RP, why would you want to make an RP story if you know you can be sent to jail at any moment?

    -If a group of ppl can break into the HQ that easily why they shouldn't have the option to save his friend?

    -If there are more than 10cops online I dont understand why would you do this when you can call for backup as I said, at the end  you all win.

    -the simple fact that they give you the ticket before anything else is just frustating/irritating to 99% of the people.

    -very cheap tactic to send someone to jail specially if they have big bountys (money hungry cops? )

    EDIT: Nvm my response was just salt over something little ignore this

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