Jailing Suggestion

[blinky]

typical career cop suggestion.  

Wants to punish people for playing the game the way it was created.

EDIT:  And you wonder why the APD is so screwed up?  If it was up to the "captain" we wouldn't be suggesting this idiot idea, he would have implemented it.   lolololol

 

 

Edited January 25, 2016 by blinky

[kryptonthegamer]

1 hour ago, blinky said:

typical career cop suggestion.  

Wants to punish people for playing the game the way it was created.

 

 

Game (meaning Altis LIFE), was and always will be originally created for the fun of civs.

Edited January 25, 2016 by Kryptonn

[M0T4RD]

2 hours ago, Inquisitor said:

Just a few points. 

1.Out of all the things wrong with the APD why would you focus time and effort on a system that already works perfectly fine. Always has. always will. This isn't A3L. 

2. As a Captain you seem to have really bought into the whole cop vs civ mentality which is disappointing. Perhaps you should try some rebel activities or wear some gang tags and see how you get treated, just get another perspective of the variety of ways people in the community play asylum. You seem far to focused on what big gangs do and not how such a policy would effect every type of player. Not everyone has 10 or so friends in a gang able to successfully break them out of jail or the ability to convince a jury.

3. mk20 is a great weapon in the right hands, for both ranged and CQC engagements. Cop load-outs do not cost that much for the average constable, higher ups spend more but they should also make more due to the higher amount of time they play cop. Anyone coming back 5-6 times with a load-out maybe shouldn't be allowed to buy one. 

4. Playing cop is the single most easy way to make money on asylum. Requires no-little effort for some and big returns for the collective work of all officers.  

5. Budbringer is spot on for a lot of this. The fact is that one or two players who can lead or shoot on cop make the world of difference in any fight. I'm honestly tired of hearing how one sided the bank is.  It's not the bank its the teams, the players on either side. You have people in gangs with over 2000+ hours fighting a big mix of players with variable experience, people who might have only played a few weeks. To find any cop who tries to discuss a strategy or to lead is very rare, its not just a higher up issue but when these players are active its game changing for scenarios such as the bank.  

You know what would be interesting, take an average channel of cops and make them defend the bank against a gang who will play as cop. I'd bet my whole asylum account that the gang cops would win, in ANY scenario. 

If you want this to change you'd need to find experienced players of asylum willing to contribute to the APD or meet requirements for promotion. That is a real issue, attracting experienced players for higher roles in the APD. 

Inqi for Captain

[M0T4RD]

2 hours ago, Diseased said:

Maybe cops should actually RP and instead of giving me a half ticket actually listen to a fucking story.

I give you a chance everytime I'm in front of you when you're restrained. You've never said a word to me. Btw I'm lenient ask Fred bro try it next time

[TiLLeR]

I find it's often pretty easy to get out of jail just by requesting a Trial by Jury.  I think I get out about 80% of the time by doing this.  Perhaps tack on a 10% fee (based on your bounty) for the court fees (scheduling, paperwork, paying the jury, etc) when you request trial.  This fee could be for all requests or applied if you are found guilty.  It's just another thing someone would consider before paying a ticket, choosing jail, or requesting a trial.

With regard to the lack of Cop RP... while I find there are a number of cops that won't listen to any RP there are a lot of us out there that would prefer to RP a scenario regardless of the size of the bounty.  For me you get out of an RP situation what you put into it.  I find all to often that the bigger gangs spend their time trolling the cops trying to RP with their gang mate rather than letting the RP play out.  In those cases what do you expect?  I think there is room for improvement on both sides...

[Clint Beastwood]

Just now, Treeherder said:

Dear Hypanius and Hotwings, 

Fuck you. 

Respectfully, Treeherder

 

Agreed.  LOL.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Treeherder said:

Dear Hypanius and Hotwings, 

Fuck you. 

Respectfully, Treeherder

 

Hotwings is going for Lt with that amount of cock down his throat.

[Reavantos]

This thread has set APD and CIV relations back significantly........

[Deadly]

Sounds like a great idea to me, i vote yes

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[rngr]

The penalty for not paying your ticket is jail time.  Why should you still have to pay after you already elected not to pay.

45 minutes of doing nothing is pretty frustrating as is.  When I get caught, I lose my loadout (25k) and my time.  Not fun.  Why should I lose another 50 to 100k every time I get caught by the cops.  That is absolutely ridiculous.

Between the horrible cops and the straight to jail charges, being sent to jail should not pull money from my bank account in any fashion.  80% of the time I give a good RP story and the cops still either give me a full ticket or a 50% ticket.  Both of which result in me going to jail.  So yeah, fuck handing yourself in with the way 95% of the cops are.

 I have better luck handing myself in a for a trial by combat than I do RPing a reduction.

[Bilal Battu]

The fact I get better RP from civilians on jury duty than most cops I encounter says a lot. Short of UDI cops on 2 who are awesome 

[rngr]

6 minutes ago, Bilal Battu said:

The fact I get better RP from civilians on jury duty than most cops I encounter says a lot. Short of UDI cops on 2 who are awesome 

This is unfortunately true.

Rebels don't need more monetary penalties over bullshit like dealing with APD RP.

Edited January 25, 2016 by Ranger

[rngr]

Just now, The Monopoly Man said:

Whoah durga, calm down there m8

Nah, Durga had some ideas that wouldn't work, but they actually involved roleplay, not gouging rebel bank accounts.

[kryptonthegamer]

Just now, Ranger said:

Nah, Durga had some ideas that wouldn't work, but they actually involved roleplay, not gouging rebel bank accounts.

So true

[- RJ -]

I like the idea of maybe if you fail to pay the ticket, you get a 5% hit or something. Will promote more RP then just send me to jail to afk. You guys know who you are { Wink }. But i understand with the issues with being dealing with a robocop. Most cops who play civ deal with it also. This will get addressed overtime. Anytime this happens on S3, please record it and let it be known with a higher up to make sure we only give you guys the best. 

[kryptonthegamer]

32 minutes ago, - RJ - said:

I like the idea of maybe if you fail to pay the ticket, you get a 5% hit or something. Will promote more RP then just send me to jail to afk. You guys know who you are { Wink }. But i understand with the issues with being dealing with a robocop. Most cops who play civ deal with it also. This will get addressed overtime. Anytime this happens on S3, please record it and let it be known with a higher up to make sure we only give you guys the best. 

This idea is severely beneficial to the APD, directly detrimental to the rebels, and thus is completely inbalanced.

[Sheriff Rick Grimes]

No, that's not a very bad idea and would kill rebel life.  Waiting in jail for 45 minutes is enough of a punishment.  

[- RJ -]

2 minutes ago, Kryptonn said:

This idea is severely beneficial to the APD, directly detrimental to the rebels, and thus is completely inbalanced.

5% of a ticket is not much, kinda like tax you pay for whoever is in office. 5% makes a little taste of something you can lose while going to jail to make you actually want to RP a little. This is really not anything which is going to make the Apd Rich but might improve the experience of Rp instead of just send me to jail. I actually like it since i am in it for the RP and most of the time we get people who just go mute or never want to RP. Just a suggestion but i feel it is a good one but i would bring it down to 5%. So it is pocket change

[kryptonthegamer]

Just now, - RJ - said:

5% of a ticket is not much, kinda like tax you pay for whoever is in office. 5% makes a little taste of something you can lose while going to jail to make you actually want to RP a little. This is really not anything which is going to make the Apd Rich but might improve the experience of Rp instead of just send me to jail. I actually like it since i am in it for the RP and most of the time we get people who just go mute or never want to RP. Just a suggestion but i feel it is a good one but i would bring it down to 5%. So it is pocket change

5% of money cap is 50k, gone in an instant.

[Sheriff Rick Grimes]

Just now, - RJ - said:

5% of a ticket is not much, kinda like tax you pay for whoever is in office. 5% makes a little taste of something you can lose while going to jail to make you actually want to RP a little. This is really not anything which is going to make the Apd Rich but might improve the experience of Rp instead of just send me to jail. I actually like it since i am in it for the RP and most of the time we get people who just go mute or never want to RP. Just a suggestion but i feel it is a good one but i would bring it down to 5%. So it is pocket change

 

That's so one sided.  There are plenty of cops who will not give you a chance, no matter how good your story is.  It would only make cops like that sky rocket if they know they are directly hurting a rebel they are pissed at and they will take pleasure in knowing they costed you money.  Think of cops who is in a opposing gang who has a rebel in custody, they would love to fuck each other over.  Also, i've never had a problem with people not RPing and if they don't, it only hurts them because they will be AFKing for the next 45 minutes.  It's only their loss if they don't want to RP.  

[Sergio]

11 hours ago, Hypanius said:

Lets be real...

 

 

 

 

Edited January 26, 2016 by Sergio

[George]

1 hour ago, Ranger said:

Nah, Durga had some ideas that wouldn't work, but they actually involved roleplay, not gouging rebel bank accounts.

Are you fucking kidding me? Durga and RP shouldn't go in the same sentence. He was an inspiration for robo cops everywhere.

Edited January 25, 2016 by L1on

[Bilal Battu]

24 minutes ago, - RJ - said:

5% of a ticket is not much, kinda like tax you pay for whoever is in office. 5% makes a little taste of something you can lose while going to jail to make you actually want to RP a little. This is really not anything which is going to make the Apd Rich but might improve the experience of Rp instead of just send me to jail. I actually like it since i am in it for the RP and most of the time we get people who just go mute or never want to RP. Just a suggestion but i feel it is a good one but i would bring it down to 5%. So it is pocket change

So you are basically saying we would be extorted to RP? While you get paid for the incentive to RP when you should do it by default like everyone else? The point we are making is most rebels get robo copped a majority of the time, never get a reduced ticket or pardon, so why not get it over and go to jail? I will concede, though, that there are plenty of great cops out there. You just have to to be lucky.

[Reformed epTic]

1 minute ago, Bilal Battu said:

So you are basically saying we would be extorted to RP? While you get paid for the incentive to RP when you should do it by default like everyone else? The point we are making is most rebels get robo copped a majority of the time, never get a reduced ticket or pardon, so why not get it over and go to jail? I will concede, though, that there are plenty of great cops out there. You just have to to be lucky.

Rebels get robo copped because 1 of 2 things. 

1) It's a stalling tactic to get their buddies to come save them 

2) It's the same "self defense" "forced to do it" stories.

[George]

1 minute ago, epTic said:

Rebels get robo copped because 1 of 2 things. 

1) It's a stalling tactic to get their buddies to come save them 

2) It's the same "self defense" "forced to do it" stories.

I don't see the reason where the cop is a salty cunt and says right off the bat dude he's in "insert cringy gang name here" I'm going to robo cop him so bad. Please add that to list.

[Reformed epTic]

Just now, L1on said:

I don't see the reason where the cop is a salty cunt and says right off the bat dude he's in "insert cringy gang name here" I'm going to robo cop him so bad. Please add that to list.

 

I've honestly never experienced that where it wasn't deserved. 

Sure you have a few, but the majority of times I've experienced it is when it's being done to squeaker gangs who sit in Kavala with pistols and the moment they're arrested, they're screaming "FUCK U PIGGY OINK OINK OINK LOL FAGGOT". 
 

[George]

1 minute ago, epTic said:

 

I've honestly never experienced that where it wasn't deserved. 

Sure you have a few, but the majority of times I've experienced it is when it's being done to squeaker gangs who sit in Kavala with pistols and the moment they're arrested, they're screaming "FUCK U PIGGY OINK OINK OINK LOL FAGGOT". 
 

You'd be suprised man, people in kavala general deserve it, but you have no idea where I'll be with another cop and we bring someone to hq and he says straight off that we should robo cop them.

[Demonic]

If I don't pay a ticket it's because I don't wanna lose money. Now after 2 years you want to change that and make those who don't pay tickets lose money by forcing it out of their bank? You might as well just force us to pay the ticket while you're at it.

[rngr]

36 minutes ago, Bilal Battu said:

So you are basically saying we would be extorted to RP? While you get paid for the incentive to RP when you should do it by default like everyone else? The point we are making is most rebels get robo copped a majority of the time, never get a reduced ticket or pardon, so why not get it over and go to jail? I will concede, though, that there are plenty of great cops out there. You just have to to be lucky.

You can take money from me for not RPing on Civ when cops can be removed for not RPing.  But right now APD rules allow for robocoping.

[- RJ -]

1 hour ago, Kryptonn said:

5% of money cap is 50k, gone in an instant.

5% of a 100k ticket is not a'lot.  Even if they have a 500k ticket. 5% is nothing lol

[- RJ -]

1 hour ago, Sheriff Rick Grimes said:

 

That's so one sided.  There are plenty of cops who will not give you a chance, no matter how good your story is.  It would only make cops like that sky rocket if they know they are directly hurting a rebel they are pissed at and they will take pleasure in knowing they costed you money.  Think of cops who is in a opposing gang who has a rebel in custody, they would love to fuck each other over.  Also, i've never had a problem with people not RPing and if they don't, it only hurts them because they will be AFKing for the next 45 minutes.  It's only their loss if they don't want to RP.  

Well then the issue is you!  If are not reporting these issues, then how do you want them to get fixed?

Edited January 26, 2016 by - RJ -

[Bilal Battu]

If its nothing then why bother? You are literally punishing people that would generally rather not deal with shittier cops by asking to go to jail or refusing a ticket.

[kryptonthegamer]

1 minute ago, Bilal Battu said:

If its nothing then why bother? You are literally punishing people that would generally rather not deal with shittier cops by asking to go to jail or refusing a ticket.

Agreed.

[- RJ -]

3 minutes ago, Bilal Battu said:

If its nothing then why bother? You are literally punishing people that would generally rather not deal with shittier cops by asking to go to jail or refusing a ticket.

Because the way the system is, You go to jail to Afk. If there was any cost involved { even if 5% } , it would make people at least attempt to RP on a RP server. Which most just get up and walk away from the computer when they are caught. How is that fun for anyone?

Edited January 26, 2016 by - RJ -

[rngr]

Just now, - RJ - said:

Because the way the system is, You go to jail to Afk. If there was any cost involved { even if 5% } , it would make people at least attempt to RP on a RP server. Which most just get up and walk away from the computer when they are caught. How is that fun for anyone?

So you want to force the civs to RP by enforcing monetary punishments when the cops themselves don't RP?  Until cops are punished for shit or no RP, then don't even think about punishing civs for it.

[- RJ -]

 

5 minutes ago, Ranger said:

So you want to force the civs to RP by enforcing monetary punishments when the cops themselves don't RP?  Until cops are punished for shit or no RP, then don't even think about punishing civs for it.

Why look it like that? You get gas, you have a 10%, if they are nice. Tax is set to 10% for everything you buy most of the time. Why not have a 5% fee for sitting in jail? To bring you food,water and a nice big tall man to keep you company! Life is all about fee's, why not jail ? Someone needs to pay the state for keeping Tyrone in jail to keep you all company!

Edited January 26, 2016 by - RJ -

[Fluxah]

2 minutes ago, - RJ - said:

 

Why look it like that? You get gas, you have a 10%, if they are nice. Tax is set to 10% for everything you buy most of the time. Why not have a 5% fee for sitting in jail? To bring you food,water and a nice big tall man to keep you company? Life is all about fee's, why not jail ? Someone needs to pay the state for keeping Tyrone in jail to keep you all company!

the taxes make about 500k a day, I'm pretty sure that can pay for pain killers, blood bags and splints, seeing as that's all the prison actually gives you

 

 

but on a serious note, this suggestion, as mentioned many times before, just makes things unbalanced, the entire thing of a Altis Life RP Server is that cop/civ needs to be balanced, and while it is very hard to find that balance, it is extremely easy to lose it and make things unbalanced.

 

the way Asylum works, tbh, is pretty simple, you have 3 groups of civs, Bounty Hunters, Rebels, Kavala trolls, bounty hunters fight rebels, rebels fight cops and other rebels, cops get paid for fighting gangs, gangs get paid from banks etc, kavala trolls, well, they troll... in kavala....

 

if you make it so the gangs have no money, and lose money in all these ways, that means there will be no gangs rolling around, which means no bounties, which, as everyone saw when the Federal Reserve went extremely one sided, ends up in dead servers, no gangs on fighting cops, no cops on because there are no gangs which equals no bounties.

 

TLDR: gangs lose money, gangs go bye bye, cops go bye bye, server numbers go bye bye

[Diizzy]

No

[kryptonthegamer]

21 minutes ago, - RJ - said:

Because the way the system is, You go to jail to Afk. If there was any cost involved { even if 5% } , it would make people at least attempt to RP on a RP server. 

Rather would have jail be 15 Mins Max.

[DeVo]

8 hours ago, Budbringer said:

Altough doing the bank is easy, the biggest reason cops loses these fights is due to lack of higher ups who knows something else than RP. For instance, I can do a bank, and see the cops charge in with 3 people in a sport hatch with sgts, lts and cpts on. There are no cordination. I see cops charge the prison with quadbikes. Yes the cops are sometimes outnumbered, but the reason the cops are not feared is because, well they dont even try. I cant remember the last time I saw a tactical orca drop. Cadets usually snipe with their holo scope. Promote some people who knows how to lead the battlefield, maybe they will be feared again

We need to have the SGT+ train their ranks in Mandatory training sessions to gain some kind of skill/tactics back into the force. I've not been cop for too long but i know for sure that when higher ups aren't online and its just constables, They act with chaos, "authorizing lethals" on a 4v8 at bank. The cops have no sense of Tac comms like Budbringer said and they need to be trained or atleast given some knowledge on how to go about a situation and stop worrying about "Did we get the money for the bounty" after lethaling a HVT.