Brandon Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 I think a new requirement to be promoted to constable is a BCT (basic combat training) session teaching cadets things like combat stance, bullet penetration, how to lock down an hq, HVT processing among other things. i know it should be other officers responsibility to teach them in game, but i think it would be better to give them practice in the training server that way they don't royally fuck something up in game and get in trouble. these trainings should be hosted weekly at a set date and time along with other dates at training officers discretion. Link to comment
Matthew Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 A lot of that is simply taught through the guidebook or acquired through playing/general common sense. Cadet's aren't expected to be the next top tier legend when in combat and some may prefer to simply role-play so why should they be required to do this if they are a good cop? I don't see how they can fuck up outside if they know the guidebook and server rules. Olivia likes this Link to comment
Brandon Posted February 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 @Matthew as i said basics. mostly cop stuff like hvt processing and locking down an hq flying a helo if needed Link to comment
Guest Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 These are the things that, as a Constable, you should be teaching cadets while you drive around anyway. Link to comment
Matthew Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Just now, Brandon said: @Matthew as i said basics. mostly cop stuff like hvt processing and locking down an hq flying a helo if needed http://wiki.gaming-asylum.com/Helicopter_Manual http://wiki.gaming-asylum.com/Processing#HVT_Procedure Locking down a HQ is common sense and if the constable(s)+ do not organize the HQ to be locked down, it's their fault for being idiots. BlackShot likes this Link to comment
Guest Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Just now, Matthew said: http://wiki.gaming-asylum.com/Helicopter_Manual http://wiki.gaming-asylum.com/Processing#HVT_Procedure Locking down a HQ is common sense and if the constable(s)+ do not organize the HQ to be locked down, it's their fault for being idiots. Honestly I personally agree asking questions from the guidebook and "watching their RP" really is not enough, I think they should be able to show that they know these basic things like processing HVT and locking down an HQ. How many times when processing an HVT do you actually see people NOT locking down the HQ, most run around and listen to RP. I think we could do a bit better during the training and ride-a-long process for sure. Yeah it's "their fault" but it effects everyone around them, not just them. So if we can really instill this at training, not just reading it in the guidebook, I think the future waves will be quicker to take action and ask for a better setup. Heidelberg, Brandon, Jwilly and 2 others like this Link to comment
Churu Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) how about this, New requirement for corporal is you must be mock RA certified, and you must have done at least 1 mock ride along. Or simply mock RA certified... Edited February 22, 2017 by Churu BishopActual likes this Link to comment
{-M-} Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Just now, Churu said: how about this, New requirement for corporal is you must be mock RA certified, and you must have done at least 1 mock ride along. Or simply mock RA certified... Because corporal requirements are set by precincts now... Link to comment
Guest Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Just now, Churu said: how about this, New requirement for corporal is you must be mock RA certified, and you must have done at least 1 mock ride along. Or simply mock RA certified... Corporal isn't made to have any form of responsibilites outside of "play the game like normal". SGT/LT/Captain are where the responsibilities start to show up. Link to comment
Churu Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Just now, Gnashes said: Corporal isn't made to have any form of responsibilites outside of "play the game like normal". SGT/LT/Captain are where the responsibilities start to show up. im not saying its a responsibility, im saying it should be a requirement to reach the rank, as a way of preparing them for the sgt rank if they so wish to go for that and higher... Link to comment
HotWings Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Brandon said: I think a new requirement to be promoted to constable is a BCT (basic combat training) session teaching cadets things like combat stance, bullet penetration, how to lock down an hq, HVT processing among other things. i know it should be other officers responsibility to teach them in game, but i think it would be better to give them practice in the training server that way they don't royally fuck something up in game and get in trouble. these trainings should be hosted weekly at a set date and time along with other dates at training officers discretion. No, the new requirement should be 1 month as a cadet now that there is no way to track whether they play civ or not. One week was already laughably low since anyone can cram a few hours and get a pass. Making it longer would give more time for officers to teach, review, and judge a cadet based on actions and understanding. Over the course of a month an officer should certainly be able to pick up and retain the information as opposed to just cramming it in for the test. Edited February 22, 2017 by HotWings Mike Stmria, Olivia, {-M-} and 1 other like this Link to comment
Bama Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 These are basic things that should be taught during the cadet week. No need to make a training or requirement to be promoted. {-M-} and BlackShot like this Link to comment
George Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Arent these things cadets should be taught anyways?? {-M-} likes this Link to comment
massi Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 18 minutes ago, Churu said: how about this, New requirement for corporal is you must be mock RA certified, and you must have done at least 1 mock ride along. Or simply mock RA certified... That's a requirement on 1 Link to comment
Mike Stmria Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 IMO That's what cadet week is about. If the Sgt+ staff is not hearing what they are being teach by the Cst or Cpls maybe they need to stop playing the minimum and only with their friends. They enlisted to Sgt for a reason and on of the reasons is this, supervise the APD. I like the idea of 1 month as cadet as there is no way to track their time. Bama, BishopActual, {-M-} and 4 others like this Link to comment
massi Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, steelersfan82 said: No its not Henry1 likes this Link to comment
Bandit Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, steelersfan82 said: No its not Yeah it is, check the recent updates Link to comment
BlackShot Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, steelersfan82 said: No its not Well, not yet. Mr. Linux, rodrigo silva and LinuxThird like this Link to comment
Bandit Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Just now, steelersfan82 said: Next time be helpful like blackshot instead thanks. I didn't realize and it takes effect in March anyways It's not my job to keep you informed on the latest updates on a specific precinct. I also told you exactly where to find it Link to comment
Churu Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, BlackShot said: Well, not yet. i did not know this... Link to comment
Mike Stmria Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Keep this on topic or things will start to happen. Thanks. HotWings likes this Link to comment
Guest Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 52 minutes ago, Bama said: These are basic things that should be taught during the cadet week. No need to make a training or requirement to be promoted. What he is saying is that its not happening, its not "tested" maybe something to add to the ride-a-long, even if its "explain to me the process of processing an HVT" "what is your role in the process" etc. If that's being done, its not enough, something so basic should be instilled. Link to comment
Midamaru Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) 52 minutes ago, BlackShot said: Well, not yet. Thats a precinct specific requirement, this does not apply on other precincts than #1. That screenshot is not to be mistaken for the official guidebook, it's a precinct specific google doc. 1 hour ago, Churu said: how about this, New requirement for corporal is you must be mock RA certified, and you must have done at least 1 mock ride along. Or simply mock RA certified... He's talking about promotion from cadet to constable, not to corporal. And in this case the knowledge of corporals aren't isn't relevant. @Brandon I do think that your idea is good, this is something that could be added to the ride along. But i think a cadet shouldn't simply be tested on these skills but rather make sure that they are aware of those basic things before they get promoted. aka, find out what they don't know about the basics and then teach them. Then do the RA like normally. Edited February 22, 2017 by Midamaru BlackShot likes this Link to comment
Bama Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 17 minutes ago, Olio said: What he is saying is that its not happening, its not "tested" maybe something to add to the ride-a-long, even if its "explain to me the process of processing an HVT" "what is your role in the process" etc. If that's being done, its not enough, something so basic should be instilled. Yeah could of worded my response different and that was one of my major questions on my ride along document. Seems like a lot of people are getting rushed in cadet week and only learning bare minimum. Everyone needs to take a step back and quit worrying about promotions and take the time to teach these new guys the fundamentals. Mike Stmria, HotWings and Olivia like this Link to comment
Mr. Linux Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) Nowadays each batch of cadets is worse; that results worse constables and that results in worse cadets. If APD ranks were earned by combat skills, I would be the chief o police. Back in my day, when LTs did ridealongs, constables were much better formed. I hope that corporal is earned through dedication, knowladge of the guidebook and competence. Edited February 22, 2017 by Mr. Linux Berus and massi like this Link to comment
HotWings Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 10 minutes ago, Mr. Linux said: Nowadays each batch of cadets is worse; that results worse constables and that results in worse cadets. If APD ranks were earned by combat skills, I would be the chief o police. Back in my day, when LTs did ridealongs, constables were much better formed. I hope that corporal is earned through dedication, knowladge of the guidebook and competence. Why do you think Sgts got it back? Wasnt working out with LTs doing it. Link to comment
BishopActual Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 15 minutes ago, Mr. Linux said: Nowadays each batch of cadets is worse; that results worse constables and that results in worse cadets. If APD ranks were earned by combat skills, I would be the chief o police. Back in my day, when LTs did ridealongs, constables were much better formed. I hope that corporal is earned through dedication, knowladge of the guidebook and competence. and 90% of the people in the APD would be gone. It's not all about combat. Mr. Linux, Olivia and HotWings like this Link to comment
Mr. Linux Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, HotWings said: Why do you think Sgts got it back? probably to handle the amount of ridealongs. A LT would do 100 ridealongs now with sgts, they dont have to do it anymore. Edited February 22, 2017 by Mr. Linux Link to comment
HotWings Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) Just now, Mr. Linux said: probably to handle the amount of ridealongs. A LT would do 100 ridealongs now with sgts, they dont have to do it anymore. lol, LTs ride alongs we basically interviews in the senior police chamber. Honestly Sgt ride alongs were much better before the most recent wave of Sgts Edited February 22, 2017 by HotWings Mike Stmria likes this Link to comment
Mr. Linux Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Just now, HotWings said: lol, LTs ride alongs we basically interviews in the senior police chamber. Depends the LT who did it with you Link to comment
HotWings Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 Just now, Mr. Linux said: Depends the LT who did it with you It actually didnt, the policy was that the "ride along" was done in an interview format in the chambers. Link to comment
Mr. Linux Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) 57 minutes ago, HotWings said: It actually didnt, the policy was that the "ride along" was done in an interview format in the chambers. Multiple constables told me as a cadet that they did their ridealong in game. The lt who did my ridealong said that he prefered cadets to drive in order for them not to cheat (even though I did mine on a random ts channel) lol Edited February 22, 2017 by Mr. Linux Link to comment
Mike Stmria Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 1 hour ago, Mr. Linux said: probably to handle the amount of ridealongs. A LT would do 100 ridealongs now with sgts, they dont have to do it anymore. You are clearly new to the APD. Sgt had the task to do RA for a long time, then for some reason they decided to hand that to LT's. Didn't work, give them back to the Sgt's. HotWings likes this Link to comment
Midamaru Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jaeger said: You are clearly new to the APD. Olivia and Heidelberg like this Link to comment
Berus Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Jaeger said: I like the idea of 1 month as cadet as there is no way to track their time. So, cadets would be "locked" in the APD for a entire month ? Link to comment
MrClean Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Berus said: So, cadets would be "locked" in the APD for a entire month ? since cadets can play civ, wouldn't a cadet month make better cadets? I think it was a week due to the fact of players wanting to play civ after not playing it for a while and would get removed if they logged on without permission. Edited February 22, 2017 by MrClean Berus and Olivia like this Link to comment
Midamaru Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Berus said: So, cadets would be "locked" in the APD for a entire month ? Edited February 22, 2017 by Midamaru Berus likes this Link to comment
HotWings Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Berus said: So, cadets would be "locked" in the APD for a entire month ? Cadets may play civ now, since cadets can play civ a longer cadet period would not be over the top as they can take breaks as needed. Berus likes this Link to comment
Berus Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 7 minutes ago, HotWings said: Cadets may play civ now, since cadets can play civ a longer cadet period would not be over the top as they can take breaks as needed. 8 minutes ago, Midamaru said: 20 minutes ago, MrClean said: since cadets can play civ, wouldn't a cadet month make better cadets? I think it was a week due to the fact of players wanting to play civ after not playing it for a while and would get removed if they logged on without permission. Oh, i didn't see it changed, thanks for the info Link to comment
Mr. Linux Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jaeger said: You are clearly new to the APD. Sgt had the task to do RA for a long time, then for some reason they decided to hand that to LT's. Didn't work, give them back to the Sgt's. Yes i remember, I became a cadet about that time when it was LT only.. Edited February 22, 2017 by Mr. Linux Link to comment
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