Haych Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 With the introduction of the new DLC weapons, I believe there has to be some changes made to the prices of weapons in the rebel store. Here is what i'm suggesting. Price decrease:MK14 - No idea why this hasn't happened yet. I made a post about this around 5 months ago, and still nothing. It makes no sense for this gun to be the same price as a MK1SPAR 7.62 - Same thing. This gun is hardly used and is in the same boat as the MK14. High recoil, 20 rounds, there is much better alternatives for the same price. Price Increase: AK-12 - So you've probably seen the AK-12 increase in popularity in the current meta. The gun has no recoil, 30 rounds of 7.62 and is able to empty a whole magazine in just under 2 seconds in two burst mode. The guns price is around 8k, it doesn't have a market drop price because it can't be crafted. The AK-12 should hands-down be the most expensive of the 7.62's, not the cheapest. I've been using the AK-12 since release, and I can tell you now, it needs a price increase, especially when you can empty all 30 bullets in the same time it takes to empty a MK1 magazine. Shepurd, King, Brendon Smith and 17 others like this Link to comment
TheCrestedPenguin Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 (edited) Agree with the AK-12 but for the other 2, Simple dont use them. Edit: But i assume its possible to lower it dont see a problem with it just dont make it insanely cheap. Edited September 5, 2016 by TheCrestedPenguin Link to comment
lemin Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 The others should be cheaper and the ak 12 should be more. nothing to major though Link to comment
Heidelberg Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 Agreed with the two first statements, however is it not necessary to raise the price for the AK-12 too much so that people will start complaining about it. Link to comment
Axe Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 1 hour ago, Haych said: AK-12 - So you've probably seen the AK-12 increase in popularity in the current meta. The gun has no recoil, 30 rounds of 7.62 and is able to empty a whole magazine in just under 2 seconds in two burst mode. This Bohemia managed to break the game and allow you to burst fire the weapon quicker than its calculated rate of fire. This is because the burst fires quicker and there is no reset period as there is with say, the glock, in csgo. Calculated rate of fire is 600 RPM for ak12. With the broke 2 rnd burst, it is somewhere between 700-900, which is rediculous. Im sure BI will fix it eventually. Soon tm Link to comment
DosWolf Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 I disagree -1 Ak is bae leave it alone! Frizzy likes this Link to comment
eleec Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, Axe said: This Bohemia managed to break the game and allow you to burst fire the weapon quicker than its calculated rate of fire. This is because the burst fires quicker and there is no reset period as there is with say, the glock, in csgo. Calculated rate of fire is 600 RPM for ak12. With the broke 2 rnd burst, it is somewhere between 700-900, which is rediculous. Im sure BI will fix it eventually. Soon tm 600 bullets / min in full auto1000 bullets / min in burst mode so thats around 50 rounds per 3 secs. So its actually accurate as hell. And we are in a Milsim game. But keep in mind, that it has smaller rounds than mk1 does. But I agree its a real @Deadly gun. Haych and Brendon Smith like this Link to comment
Axe Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 Just now, eleec said: 600 bullets / min in full auto1000 bullets / min in burst mode so thats around 50 rounds per 3 secs. So its actually accurate as hell. And we are in a Milsim game. But keep in mind, that it has smaller rounds than mk1 does. But I agree its a real @Deadly gun. Keep in mind, Its also lighter than Mk1 Has almost no noticible difference in dispersion Has a slightly lower Muzzle velocity And has better dexterity and less inertia. Gun is retardedly priced for being what it is. Haych likes this Link to comment
Haych Posted September 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheCrestedPenguin said: Agree with the AK-12 but for the other 2, Simple dont use them. Edit: But i assume its possible to lower it dont see a problem with it just dont make it insanely cheap. MK14 should be slightly cheaper than the MK18, possibly a 1k difference in base price or something, not the same price as the MK1. 15 minutes ago, eleec said: 600 bullets / min in full auto1000 bullets / min in burst mode so thats around 50 rounds per 3 secs. So its actually accurate as hell. And we are in a Milsim game. But keep in mind, that it has smaller rounds than mk1 does. But I agree its a real @Deadly gun. Yep, just take look at my montage, that's 30 rounds fired in less time than emptying a MK1 mag. Its insane, add that to the minimal recoil, this gun should not be the cheapest 7.62, it should be the most expensive. The round is smaller, but it acts the exact same vs Infantry, MRAPs and the Orcas, so there is literally no real downside to using it in combat. Only downside i've seen to using the AK-12 is that it sucks when trying to shoot through PB sandbags. And to add to Axe's point about it being lighter, as far as I know you can also store it in backpacks. Please consider these changes, Axe and Eleec pointed out some solid points. @bamf @speed Edited September 5, 2016 by Haych Link to comment
Haych Posted September 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 42 minutes ago, Heidelberg said: Agreed with the two first statements, however is it not necessary to raise the price for the AK-12 too much so that people will start complaining about it. It's not about raising it too much, it's about balancing the price. Look at all the points mentioned above, it's no lie the AK-12 is insanely overpowered. I've been using it non-stop since release and it's very powerful. But it should not be a 8k gun making it the cheapest out off all scoped 7.62's. Link to comment
JIMBO Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 Swap the prices with the MK14 & AK12, would work well, I've never bought an MK14 and never will for the same price as an MK1. Link to comment
Haych Posted September 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 9 minutes ago, Tom said: The AK-12 is too cheap for the amount of damage it does. You can finish its whole mag in 3-4 seconds as for the MK1 its 4-5. As well the AK has a 30 round mag so please up it in price. MK1 = 2 seconds AK-12 Burst = 2 Seconds AK-12 Full Auto = 3 Seconds Link to comment
Heidelberg Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 19 minutes ago, Haych said: It's not about raising it too much, it's about balancing the price. Look at all the points mentioned above, it's no lie the AK-12 is insanely overpowered. I've been using it non-stop since release and it's very powerful. But it should not be a 8k gun making it the cheapest out off all scoped 7.62's. Yep, a little tweak would fix it and put it in balance. Link to comment
Axe Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 Name Type Mass RoF [RPM] Dispersion Muzzle Velocity Inertia Dexterity Can be stored in: Classname AK-12 7.62 mm Assault Rifle 140 600 0.00087 900 0.6 1.4 Backpack arifle_AK12_F Mk-I EMR 7.62 mm (Black) Marksman Rifle 220 600 0.00058 940 0.8 1.68 None srifle_DMR_03_F Rahim 7.62 mm Marksman Rifle 100 698 0.00058 830 0.5 1.5 None srifle_DMR_01_F Mk14 7.62 mm (Camo) Marksman Rifle 140 706 0.00087 850 0.8 1.68 None srifle_DMR_06_camo_F Mk18 ABR 7.62 mm Marksman Rifle 180 706 0.00073 850 0.7 1.3 None srifle_EBR_F Quick Breakdown Ak12 is slightly heavier than Rahim and still way lighter than MK1 AK has highest ROF when abusing burst firing (1000RPM) AK has the SAME dispersion/accuracy as Mk14, and is not much worse than mk18 AK has a lower Muzzle Velocity, which to my knowledge, makes no noticeable difference IT IS THE ONLY 7.62 THAT CAN BE STORED IN A BACKPACK, not even the Rahim can do that It has the lower inerita of the USED 7.62s, which means your sights align much quicker after turning. Then theres recoil which is non existent. IRRC, the Rahim is priced very closly with the ak12, which makes no sense The M14, is priced HIGHER than the AK12 and its shit Big Bird, goyney and Haych like this Link to comment
FozzyBear Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 So far my mind on the spar 7.62 it is a very good weapon a tad more accurate then the mk18 maybe even more then the mk1. I do agree on the recoil. Link to comment
Feenix Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 (edited) Remove the ak! Make asylum vanilla @bamf @Paratus shed some light Edited September 5, 2016 by Feenix Frizzy likes this Link to comment
Eli Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 I would love the Mk-14 price to be lowered. +1 Haych likes this Link to comment
cFeor Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 SPAR-12<MK14<Rahim<Katiba<AKM<MK18<MK1<AK-12<AK-12 W/ Recoil Script Haych likes this Link to comment
Dust Runner Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, cFeor said: SPAR-12<MK14<Rahim<Katiba<AKM<MK18<MK1<AK-12<AK-12 W/ Recoil Script That order is fucked to shit lmfao Link to comment
cFeor Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 Just now, Kitui said: So your saying nearly every person in arma 3 who uses the ak-12 has a recoil script? nah but i'm saying it's better than just having an ak12 3 minutes ago, Dust Runner said: That order is fucked to shit lmfao Look at the prices Link to comment
Dust Runner Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 1 minute ago, cFeor said: nah but i'm saying it's better than just having an ak12 Look at the prices Prices and quality of the weapons are both wrong??? Link to comment
cFeor Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 20 minutes ago, Dust Runner said: Prices and quality of the weapons are both wrong??? AK-12 is the best because its the cheapest and has 30rounds, following the Mk1 and mk18... are the rest of the guns even relevant??? Why are you so worked up? Link to comment
FozzyBear Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 4 hours ago, Kitui said: It all really depends on the shooter, however the ak-12 is the best of them all by far right now due to it being broken. I think every gun depends on a shooter kitui Link to comment
Feenix Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 32 minutes ago, Gnashes said: tfw Nobody has mentioned that the AK is 7.62x39mm whereas all of the other weapons being discussed are 7.62x51mm. AK-12 has a higher rate of fire when used in Burst. That's actually accurate. R3M0V3 1T Link to comment
Frizzy Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 I can not believe you guys are asking for this.......the same people who have had a lot to say about money making are the same people asking for prices to go up........ROFL. Link to comment
Frizzy Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Gnashes said: tfw Nobody has mentioned that the AK is 7.62x39mm whereas all of the other weapons being discussed are 7.62x51mm. AK-12 has a higher rate of fire when used in Burst. That's actually accurate. The same guys later on will be asking/complaining on the forums why no one fights... Phil. likes this Link to comment
Haych Posted September 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 34 minutes ago, Frizzy said: I can not believe you guys are asking for this.......the same people who have had a lot to say about money making are the same people asking for prices to go up........ROFL. Whats wrong with asking for a gun that's clearly broken to be balanced out by increasing its price accordingly 1 hour ago, Gnashes said: tfw Nobody has mentioned that the AK is 7.62x39mm whereas all of the other weapons being discussed are 7.62x51mm. AK-12 has a higher rate of fire when used in Burst. That's actually accurate. The size of the round compared to it's DMR counterparts hardly makes a difference on Arma, especially for the Asylum Meta. It is works the same against Infantry, MRAP's and Orcas. You can barely use the size of its round in a argument when comparing it to the other 20 round rifles. Link to comment
Cobra Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Agreed, AKs should be priced at 30k. That'll level things out when I'm bounty hunting capturing cartels. Frizzy likes this Link to comment
Haych Posted September 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 AK-12: Base: $9000, should be $12,000-$14,000 MK14: Base: $9000, should be $7000-8000 SPAR17 - Base: $10,000, should be $9000 Very minor changes, but the biggest one is the AK-12. As mentioned above, I don't think the devs anticipated how good that gun was going to be. Just go ahead and watch either mine or Tigers montage. You know somethings broken when you can either fire 30 bullets in 2 seconds, or kill people from 1km using full auto, no recoil whats so ever. Link to comment
Phil. Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 10 hours ago, Haych said: Whats wrong with asking for a gun that's clearly broken to be balanced out by increasing its price accordingly The size of the round compared to it's DMR counterparts hardly makes a difference on Arma, especially for the Asylum Meta. It is works the same against Infantry, MRAP's and Orcas. You can barely use the size of its round in a argument when comparing it to the other 20 round rifles. That makes no sense at all. If the devs feel the gun is broken temporarily remove it. Don't charge civs 20k to use the damn thing. Link to comment
bamf Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 Implemented. You guys asked for this... DosWolf and Haych like this Link to comment
DosWolf Posted September 6, 2016 Report Share Posted September 6, 2016 28 minutes ago, bamf said: Implemented. You guys asked for this... uh oh Link to comment
Haych Posted September 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 17 hours ago, Phil. said: That makes no sense at all. If the devs feel the gun is broken temporarily remove it. Don't charge civs 20k to use the damn thing. Broken as in the sense of how cheap it is for the damage it does. my bad for the wording, I shouldn't have used 'broken'. You know there's a problem when you can sit on Window Rocks and buy a gun much cheaper than a MK18 and spray 30 rounds in 2 seconds. 11 hours ago, bamf said: Implemented. You guys asked for this... Thank you. For the people complaining, you still have the MK18 for a cheap price, or is the recoil too much for you to control? or can't you simply not kill anyone with 20 bullets? Thanks for noticing this post and making changes accordingly Bamf. Link to comment
Heidelberg Posted September 7, 2016 Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 11 hours ago, bamf said: Implemented. You guys asked for this... Link to comment
Haych Posted September 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 (edited) 13 hours ago, bamf said: Implemented. You guys asked for this... So looking at the base prices, I think you done a great job in the pricing. Should bring the MK18 back into the Meta alongside possibly making the MK14/Spar more viable options for people who want gear up quickly after dying for cheap. Also this should make it so gangs need to craft weapons on their home servers again which is nice. However, only issue is, the discounts are broken making gearing up 30k+ when you still own Arms and Turfs. Possibly reduce the pricing of the scopes and vests back to it's older state? Removing governor tax from rebels would be nice as well, still have no idea why government tax effects rebel transactions Edit: For those who may be interested in the new base prices Edited September 7, 2016 by Haych Link to comment
Haych Posted September 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2016 Another weird thing I noticed. So we had 1 Turf and No Arms. Once we capped Arms, the price of the MK1 reduced from 15k to 12k, however the AK12 only dropped by 400 bucks and the price of the MK18 went up for some odd reason by 2k. All these weapons where on Demand at both times. Link to comment
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