Friedhelm Winter Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 After watching several police montages.... The suspect should have to raise his/her hands to be hand cuffed...... Link to comment
Friedhelm Winter Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 And spike strips used in this video Xehons likes this Link to comment
Sandwich Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 But then in turn they could troll and just never raise their hands. We would then never be able to process them. We all know a majority of the community would abuse that. Björn Winsmore , Crossfade, TRYHARD and 3 others like this Link to comment
TheCrestedPenguin Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Lucky, Vhantom, roomba madness and 6 others like this Link to comment
Friedhelm Winter Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, TheCrestedPenguin said: How am I stupid or something? Lol.... You post this on every post that talks shit on an APD matter. Xehons likes this Link to comment
Sandwich Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, Xander Zelman said: And spike strips used in this video The usage of the spikestrips were actually what we hope other cops strive for. @Austin Rogers The Original did a good job. Cops don't use SS enough as it is anyway. GG GravL, Lucky, Norwegianviking and 1 other like this Link to comment
Friedhelm Winter Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, Sandwich said: But then in turn they could troll and just never raise their hands. We would then never be able to process them. We all know a majority of the community would abuse that. Then, if they dont follow orders, the police can taze them. Or "down" them, Link to comment
TheCrestedPenguin Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) Just now, Xander Zelman said: How am I stupid or something? Lol.... You post this on every post that talks shit on an APD matter. You're kidding right? This would only encourage excessive use of downing rounds. and for your last argument, Thats because 99% of the posts are stupid or something Edited July 7, 2017 by TheCrestedPenguin Vhantom, Bean and Lucky like this Link to comment
Friedhelm Winter Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, Sandwich said: The usage of the spikestrips were actually what we hope other cops strive for. @Austin Rogers The Original did a good job. Cops don't use SS enough as it is anyway. GG I just think that police officers cant pull spike strips out of their ass and not have like a 5 - 10 second "build period" like repairing a car. Kettles and Sandwich like this Link to comment
Sandwich Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, Xander Zelman said: Then, if they dont follow orders, the police can taze them. Or "down" them, But even then they still wouldn't have their hands up to be restrained? Unless you're suggesting they can only restrain when someone is downed/hands up. Even then that idea is a little ehhhh Link to comment
Sandwich Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, Xander Zelman said: I just think that police officers cant pull spike strips out of their ass and not have like a 5 - 10 second "build period" like repairing a car. That would be a dev suggestion, but in real life they have retracting spikestrips that can be deployed in a fraction of a second Le Ligma likes this Link to comment
Friedhelm Winter Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, TheCrestedPenguin said: You're kidding right? This would only encourage excessive use of downing rounds. Oh you mean like how some actual cops have to use their tazers in real life. And, if they dont put their hands up, its called resisting arrest and can be charged for it. Link to comment
TheCrestedPenguin Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, Xander Zelman said: Oh you mean like how some actual cops have to use their tazers in real life. And, if they dont put their hands up, its called resisting arrest and can be charged for it. resisting arrest isn't a charge, Also this change would mean we gotta down 99% of the people in kavala. Sandwich, GravL, Innate and 2 others like this Link to comment
Friedhelm Winter Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, Sandwich said: That would be a dev suggestion, but in real life they have retracting spikestrips that can be deployed in a fraction of a second Thank you for enlightening me,,,, (truly) But, my point is player's tires shouldnt be able to be popped that easily. Link to comment
Friedhelm Winter Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, TheCrestedPenguin said: resisting arrest isn't a charge, Also this change would mean we gotta down 99% of the people in kavala. Part of the job lol Link to comment
Austin Rogers The Original Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, Xander Zelman said: Thank you for enlightening me,,,, (truly) But, my point is player's tires shouldnt be able to be popped that easily. Honestly if they made using spike strips any more difficult then they would be pretty useless. Most officers don't use spike strips at all and those that do have immense difficulty doing so. It isn't easy to know where a car is going and to get into a position where you can spike strip them effectively. Often they turn unexpectedly, or when they see a cop just simply swerve out of the way expecting to get shot at. Even when they don't you have to place them where the civilian cant see you or the spike strip easily. I have had many times where they don't even work and someone can drive over them without the wheels breaking at all. In fact they already nerfed them a little because they used to instantly pop all the tires but now they only break a couple at random allowing someone to sometimes drive to cover. I am probably one of the only person who spikestrips the way you see in my video and now that its out I've had multiple people come and ask me how I do it. Link to comment
Destrah Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 One very important thing you are forgetting is police officers in real life can use their hands to force other peoples hands behind their back whereas you can't in this game. Link to comment
Friedhelm Winter Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, Destrah said: One very important thing you are forgetting is police officers in real life can use their hands to force other peoples hands behind their back whereas you can't in this game. So you think, with a gun pointed at them, told to drop their gun after being unrestrained should be able to look at the kidnapper, restrain him and unrestrained all of the other hostages? Link to comment
Friedhelm Winter Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 start at 3:30 Link to comment
Legit Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 32 minutes ago, Xander Zelman said: After watching several police montages.... The suspect should have to raise his/her hands to be hand cuffed...... lol as if it would make a difference, even if I put my hands up I am usually downed by cops anyway. Or just because people don't know how capitals work, @TheCrestedPenguin If a cop is close enough to scroll restrain you when you don't want to be restrained you're doing something wrong. Link to comment
Friedhelm Winter Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 It would. I am just suggesting a few things that I see in other servers that actually run well. And tell me this server is not going into the trash. Now, just because I say that doesnt mean I think it is a totally bad server. I just think the cops are too op (and that is my opinion.). As show in the video that officer should of never been able to restrain the man with the gun out. The only thing I recommend is that suspects should have to raise their hands to be hand cuffed, if they down they will be downed and cuffed. I dont understand why you APD officers think this is stupid. I find it realistic. And wait a minute.... This is a role playing server right? Link to comment
Super Bumbi Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 just shoot the fucking cop the moment he shows up in your face with a gun aimed at you Link to comment
finn_ Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 @Xander Zelman Officers are trained to (usually) state their intentions before applying restraints. Link to comment
TheCrestedPenguin Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Legit said: lol as if it would make a difference, even if I put my hands up I am usually downed by cops anyway. Or just because people don't know how capitals work, @TheCrestedPenguin If a cop is close enough to scroll restrain you when you don't want to be restrained you're doing something wrong. I'll cut you legit. Link to comment
Darklom Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 20 minutes ago, Xander Zelman said: start at 3:30 Yeah that's pretty ridiculous, at first I was confused at what you meant but that's pretty lame. Friedhelm Winter likes this Link to comment
Legit Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) Just now, TheCrestedPenguin said: I'll cut you legit. eat me @Xander Zelman Go back a few patches and experience the restraint gun before you complain about cuffs now lol. Edited July 7, 2017 by Legit Vhantom likes this Link to comment
Kettles Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, finn_ said: @Xander Zelman Officers are trained to (usually) state their intentions before applying restraints. A guideline that no officer follows, I always get restrained then get told I'm being restrained. It's like no one knows that there's a delay when you talk in-game. Link to comment
Friedhelm Winter Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 1 minute ago, finn_ said: @Xander Zelman Officers are trained to (usually) state their intentions before applying restraints. In my expeirence give 1.1 seconds before they restrain you to react. Link to comment
finn_ Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) @Kettles Yeah, I get you there. It should be treated like RDM, if I'm honest. Give at least a few seconds to respond. The guidebook really isn't clear on these topics. The guidebook has been put together in a rushed way; tons of rules that contradict each other. Edited July 7, 2017 by finn_ Kettles and Friedhelm Winter like this Link to comment
Kettles Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, finn_ said: @Kettles Yeah, I get you there. It should be treated like RDM, if I'm honest. Give at least a few seconds to respond. Yeah, at least wait for me to tell you to eat my ass before you restrain/down me. The worst part about this is it's all "gray area" so cops can continue to restrain people before the person has time to react. Friedhelm Winter likes this Link to comment
Friedhelm Winter Posted July 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, Kettles said: The worst part about this is it's all "gray area" so cops can continue to restrain people before the person has time to react. My point, thank you Kettles likes this Link to comment
Coyote Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 (edited) Y'all forget that this suggestion he is making was actually a thing before...once upon a time. Yes, its true. There was a short stint where the suspect had to either have his hand up, or be downed, to be restrained. If I'm not mistaken, it was removed because it was abused, or just didn't work out to be better then how it now currently is. So.....not gonna happen (again) more then likely. Edited July 7, 2017 by Coyote Link to comment
Destrah Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, Coyote said: Y'all forget that this suggestion he is making was actually a thing before...once upon a time. Yes, its true. There was a short stint where the suspect had to either have his hand up, or be downed, to be restrained. If I'm not mistaken, it was removed because it was abused, or just didn't work out to be better then how it now currently is. So.....not gonna happen (again) more then likely. I think you are thinking of when the hot key was added. That's the only time they have to be downed or have their hands up. Same for bounty hunters. However, scroll wheel restrain for cops has been the same since I have been a cop back in Aug of 2014. Link to comment
Coyote Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 Just now, Destrah said: I think you are thinking of when the hot key was added. That's the only time they have to be downed or have their hands up. Same for bounty hunters. However, scroll wheel restrain for cops has been the same since I have been a cop back in Aug of 2014. Has it? Cause I remember a time when I had to be downing/hands up even for the scroll wheel to work (unless it was a persistent glitch I'm not aware of) Link to comment
Austin Rogers The Original Posted July 7, 2017 Report Share Posted July 7, 2017 I distinctly remember when bounty hunters were able to restrain their bounties without their hands up. I would sit in Kavala at the courthouse and then restrain and send to jail in one swift motion. Im sure i probably made some rage happen. Link to comment
Mayhem Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 2 hours ago, Sandwich said: But then in turn they could troll and just never raise their hands. We would then never be able to process them. We all know a majority of the community would abuse that. They don't comply, shoot them in the head, problem solved Kettles and Sandwich like this Link to comment
stompy Posted July 8, 2017 Report Share Posted July 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Xander Zelman said: After watching several police montages.... The suspect should have to raise his/her hands to be hand cuffed...... I don't even know what to say.... Asylum is rp, yes. But you and i both know that this would be abused since Asylum is basically wasteland with initiation. Link to comment
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