Legit Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) Currently as it is an undercover officer goes by their arma3 name. What I am suggesting is a way ingame to change that name to prevent any kind of metagaming such as looking at the teamspeak channel, checking the player list etc. This could add some actual undercover work into undercover beyond the new players that don't know it is a thing. This feature could also be added to civ, at a high cost you could "hide" your bounty for a certain period of time by entering a custom false identity. (Charges would have to be added as a form of punishment beyond the initial cost) Clarifying for the people that don't understand. I mean change the name above your head in game. Not the player list. I get the impression that this is possible due to the fact that you can add prefix's and suffix's. (This would probably require changing of your name to a player that is already on the server, because people will find any way to meta.) Please keep all discussion civil, If your reasoning behind saying no is because you like the ability to metagame you should probably keep your comment to yourself. Edited July 22, 2016 by Legit Corgi and Ren Zero like this Link to comment
Ren Zero Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 9 minutes ago, Legit said: Please keep all discussion civil Fucking worst idea ever fuck you, piece of shit. (+1 It's a good idea ) Link to comment
TheRealLethal Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Legit said: Currently as it is an undercover officer goes by their arma3 name. What I am suggesting is a way ingame to change that name to prevent any kind of metagaming such as looking at the teamspeak channel, checking the player list etc. This could add some actual undercover work into undercover beyond the new players that don't know it is a thing. This feature could also be added to civ, at a high cost you could "hide" your bounty for a certain period of time by entering a custom false identity. (Charges would have to be added as a form of punishment beyond the initial cost) Please keep all discussion civil, If your reasoning behind saying no is because you like the ability to metagame you should probably keep your comment to yourself. implying cops dont just use undercover to get carrier lites and swag clothes/vehicles Edited July 22, 2016 by TheRealLethal iFox., Akula, Sheriff Rick Grimes and 2 others like this Link to comment
Legit Posted July 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 6 minutes ago, TheRealLethal said: implying cops dont just use undercover to get carrier lites and swag clothes/vehicles I asked a few cops I know that try and do actual undercover work. It is basically impossible unless you pray on new players. Link to comment
TheRealLethal Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Legit said: I asked a few cops I know that try and do actual undercover work. It is basically impossible unless you pray on new players. Its always going to be impossible to fool players that have more than 10 hours in the game. You cant hide from the player list Edited July 22, 2016 by TheRealLethal Link to comment
Legit Posted July 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Just now, TheRealLethal said: Its always going to be impossible to fool players that have more than 10 hours in the game. You cant hide the from the player list Hence the suggestion? Link to comment
TheRealLethal Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Just now, Legit said: Hence the suggestion? How do you suggest you hide the player list. You can have a script that closes the display but you will always be able to see it in the lobby and on the map screen. No viable way of doing this and not needed in such a loose RP environment /thread Link to comment
Legit Posted July 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TheRealLethal said: How do you suggest you hide the player list. You can have a script that closes the display but you will always be able to see it in the lobby and on the map screen. No viable way of doing this and not needed in such a loose RP environment /thread Well the only reason you know players name is above their head. I'm sure since the developers can add prefix's and suffix's they could also just change the name to something custom all together. Also if it is not needed, UC wouldn't be a thing. The fact that Undercovers basically do no actual Undercover work is a big problem in my opinion. Edited July 22, 2016 by Legit Link to comment
TheRealLethal Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) @Legit to add further, it used to be horrible, When you tilded an undercover you would get a green "survivor" tag and it said "cop" on the phone text list. Its as good as its going to get Edited July 22, 2016 by TheRealLethal Link to comment
AegonTargaryenTv Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Undercover role can use improving but in regard with your suggestion player list is big obstacle. What I would like is if you could buy all variants of wepons (not just black) so it's not easy like it is now to see if someone is undercover just buy his weapon. Link to comment
Legit Posted July 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 1 minute ago, AegonTargaryenTv said: Undercover role can use improving but in regard with your suggestion player list is big obstacle. What I would like is if you could buy all variants of wepons (not just black) so it's not easy like it is now to see if someone is undercover just buy his weapon. Refresh, I just clarified what I mean by changing name Link to comment
Corgi Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 In regards to undercover weapons, I have found that the SDAR is the closest I have found to being a truly undercover gun. For the UC slot to be effective more weapons, available at rebel outpost or of different color variants, would need to be added. Link to comment
RogueRenegade Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 id say best bet is to create a separate character profile with a different name. Link to comment
Legit Posted July 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 1 minute ago, RogueRenegade said: id say best bet is to create a separate character profile with a different name. The problem is not that players know the UC officers, but that they check the playerlist and see he is on blufor. Corgi likes this Link to comment
Vash Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 People could still look at the player list and see that your custom name isnt listed Link to comment
Legit Posted July 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 13 minutes ago, Vash said: People could still look at the player list and see that your custom name isnt listed 2 hours ago, Legit said: (This would probably require changing of your name to a player that is already on the server, because people will find any way to meta.) Link to comment
Big Bird Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 I thought you could do this? I remember an LT instantly changing their name above their head and saying they were actually an undercover. This was also about a year ago and it was an admin so that could have something to do with it. Link to comment
Hiraku Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 4 hours ago, TheRealLethal said: implying cops dont just use undercover to get carrier lites and swag clothes/vehicles 100% i just use undercover slots to wear carrier lights with my corporal uniform. Link to comment
Dpatt711 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Problem with in-game name tags is that they draw from the players name. You cannot change a players name using any scripting commands. You could add a conditional into the nametag script that if they are undercover to not draw from the player name variable, and instead pull from a different variable. But don't forget the name-tag script runs on every player, on every frame. It's already too bloated as it is. As for teamspeak peeking, it's wicked easy for an undercover to simply change their TS name. The biggest problem is looking at the player list, there is no way to fool the blue icon to be purple. Link to comment
sakha Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 they should make hidden undercover slot in civ section (so they appear as a civ at the player list), that way people can't find out. Link to comment
Boris Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, sakha said: they should make hidden undercover slot in civ section (so they appear as a civ at the player list), that way people can't find out. That's probably impossible without modding. All undercover needs is rebel guns. Let them buy 7.62 for 15k each. The tell of an undercover is always the gun because they literally never have 7.62. Also yeah, lots of undercovers pull up to drug fields in decked out rebel gear, c-lite, etc, and that's just not realistic. Stick on a backpack, stripy kavala clothes, and have a P07 hidden away, you'll fool even veteran players who won't even think you're on cop. Link to comment
Cifunds Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 or just wear a balaclava or a stealth one.. ezpz Link to comment
Pentax Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Boris said: That's probably impossible without modding. All undercover needs is rebel guns. Let them buy 7.62 for 15k each. The tell of an undercover is always the gun because they literally never have 7.62. Also yeah, lots of undercovers pull up to drug fields in decked out rebel gear, c-lite, etc, and that's just not realistic. Stick on a backpack, stripy kavala clothes, and have a P07 hidden away, you'll fool even veteran players who won't even think you're on cop. Possible, in fact I already have a system in my head, which could potentially work. With that system any civ slot could act as uc slot, but lots of other systems woulf need to be modified to fit in new uc system such as shops cop action menu, etc. And unfortunately I think it's too much work as is atm. Edited July 22, 2016 by Pentax Link to comment
Haych Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Cops playing UC to do UC work. hah Link to comment
Pentax Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, Haych said: Cops playing UC to do UC work. hah Believe it or not some of us actually do that, it gets pretty hard though when everyone can just open player list and be like hey that's UC. Edited July 22, 2016 by Pentax Link to comment
Plus One Chromosome Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 They should get their name changed and slot spoofed to civ while undercover. Link to comment
HotWings Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 11 hours ago, TheRealLethal said: How do you suggest you hide the player list. You can have a script that closes the display but you will always be able to see it in the lobby and on the map screen. No viable way of doing this and not needed in such a loose RP environment /thread You could actually white list civ slots with the abilities. Only real issue would be the hex. That would limit to see who is in the slot only in the lobby and not in game. But as you said there will always be a way to see if the person is or is not in that slot. Link to comment
Dpatt711 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 3 hours ago, HotWings said: You could actually white list civ slots with the abilities. Only real issue would be the hex. That would limit to see who is in the slot only in the lobby and not in game. But as you said there will always be a way to see if the person is or is not in that slot. That would require a reworking of almost every cop script if you wanted them to have cop abilities. Link to comment
Pentax Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dpatt711 said: That would require a reworking of almost every cop script if you wanted them to have cop abilities. Not a rewrite but some modification. Edited July 22, 2016 by Pentax Link to comment
Dpatt711 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Pentax said: Not a rewrite but some modification. I said rework. But yes, it'd just be adding an additional condition to every cop script. Edited July 23, 2016 by Dpatt711 Pentax likes this Link to comment
2legit Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) On 7/22/2016 at 7:14 AM, Pentax said: Believe it or not some of us actually do that, it gets pretty hard though when everyone can just open player list and be like hey that's UC. There are a lots of us. I roll actual undercover all the time. Like boris said because of the gun situation 9/10 times I'm carrying an sdar. I'd love to see UC be able to at least buy the bounty hunter mx variants. Hell I think the APD as a whole should have access to the tan guns. It gives us zero advantage as they're guns we already have its just a different color. As for the original suggestion from Legit (the less legit one)...Just create another player profile. It won't hide you from the player list but you'd be suprised how little people check the map list. As for TS I almost never change my TS name for this reason. Add a UC to your name and some way for other cops to figure out who you are in game. Edited July 25, 2016 by 2legit Link to comment
Paratus Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 Found a little work-around for this issue, coming in the next hotfix. BioHazard, Corgi, Subaru and 1 other like this Link to comment
Subaru Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 31 minutes ago, Paratus said: Found a little work-around for this issue, coming in the next hotfix. I'm excited!! UC cop Hype!! Google™ and BioHazard like this Link to comment
BioHazard Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Subaru said: I'm excited!! UC cop Hype!! Link to comment
Serpico Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 On 7/22/2016 at 5:02 AM, Parker said: I thought you could do this? I remember an LT instantly changing their name above their head and saying they were actually an undercover. This was also about a year ago and it was an admin so that could have something to do with it. You 100% can change a player name while in game. There are a few considerations to take care of such as the map marker, phone player list, group list... Link to comment
Google™ Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Paratus is giving cop some love now. Link to comment
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