Stop the ticket before explanation...

[Hakeem]

Ok so the reason behind this suggestion/feedback is cops already have so many cheap tactics to win, authorizing lethals when you dont like a group of people aka gang or just because  you are losing a firefight or the simple fact that you can be robocopped because they dont like you (or your gang) and now lately I've seen a lot of cops using the (as soon as we get to the HQ) "Ok sir Im gonna give you your ticket and THEN you can explain your crimes" like what is the reasoning behind this? specially when you have a big bounty, 150k+ are cops really afraid of losing a guy with a big bounty?. And yes I play as a cop too, and I understand that you guys do this so they cant save his gangmate from the police but this is the problem, why not? why is that most of the cops think they HAVE to win all the time. In my opinion what you should do is notify the APD you have a "Big Criminal" ask for backup so you have cops guarding the HQ and then you can easily process the guy and at the end if the guy is sent to jail you all win, if you dont and they save his friend well you lost, accept it. Maybe it could be ok if there was like 5 or less cops in game but lately we have 15 cops+ most of the time and they keep doing this.

so, reasons why they(admins and captains) should take a look at this (TLDR)

-Feels like breaking RP, why would you want to make an RP story if you know you can be sent to jail at any moment?

-If a group of ppl can break into the HQ that easily why they shouldn't have the option to save his friend?

-If there are more than 10cops online I dont understand why would you do this when you can call for backup as I said, at the end  you all win.

-the simple fact that they give you the ticket before anything else is just frustating/irritating to 99% of the people.

-very cheap tactic to send someone to jail specially if they have big bountys (money hungry cops? )

Edited January 25, 2016 by Hakeem

[HotWings]

No, just no. 

 

It is totally about money and has nothing to do with the hours/days of effort we put into chasing them down and arresting them.  Its 100% all about the money. Maybe if their RP wasn't "blah blah blah, my friends are here now you're going to die" We wouldn't have to do it.  Maybe if you didn't hot drop a suicide vest on our processing that wouldn't have to happen.  This is TOTALLY not an issued cause by salty rebels being salty. Totally just cops being money hungry.

 

Edited January 25, 2016 by HotWings

[Ronald]

No, I'll continue to do this.

 

Thanks for the suggestion though!

[ThePun1shed]

Come back when you dont have a large ranting paragraph. Couldn't even read due to so much text.

[Hakeem]

3 minutes ago, ThePun1shed said:

Come back when you dont have a large ranting paragraph. Couldn't even read due to so much text.

added a TLDR mark, just for you now say something useful for the suggestion/feedback

[FozzyBear]

Just now, Hakeem said:

added a TLDR mark, just for you now say something useful for the suggestion/feedback

the TLDR is still TL

[ThePun1shed]

Give us some examples of some situation you have/ or have not been in for these.

[Agent X]

@Hakeem

To avoid any frustration on any ones part simply state "As apart of Normal operating procedure for a High Value Target, I will be reading you your charges and offering you a ticket at this time. You will be able to explain your charges after the process is completed." Something of that nature would be effective in reducing any irritation on every ones part.

[DeVo]

Disagreed, Most cops do give you guys a chance to roleplay and there have been instances where we have lost a HVT in the HQ. If your gang wants to attack the HQ while we are processing a HVT then we have every right to send him to jail to stop the attackers from finishing the retrieval. Sadly for you it's how the game runs and cops aren't just going to just take a beating by every rebel who decides to come and attack us. Using Lethal rounds protects the cops and the civies that we are meant to protect. I see no abuse in using lethals against rebels if the rebels use lethals against cops/civies. If you want us to only use Rubber rounds then i think we should force all the rebels to only use Rubber rounds, but who would go for that ludicrous idea? Not me that for sure.

Edited January 25, 2016 by DeVo

[Leady]

"feels like breaking rp" ...... And how is landing an orca full of rebels at hq to save 1 guy rp again?

-If a group of ppl can break into the HQ that easily why they shouldn't have the option to save his friend?  See above comment.

-If there are more than 10cops online I dont understand why would you do this when you can call for backup as I said, at the end  you all win.  These days they tend to just suicide vest first.

-the simple fact that they give you the ticket before anything else is just frustating/irritating to 99% of the people  - Welcome to every bank vs a good gang. Dont even get me started on orcas.

-very cheap tactic to send someone to jail specially if they have big bountys (money hungry cops? ) - Why does the bounty matter? If your friends attack hq to try to free you, buh-bye. Thats right. Buh-bye. 

 

If you had your friends attack hq to free you, then you clearly didn't care about RP in the first place. The process is in place to reduce the amount of attacks on hq's and give an opportunity for RP to take place. You have the same odds of getting robo copped as we do getting a salty rebel. May they be ever in your favor.

[- RJ -]

Lol. That is why we have certain way we handle things, like on S3 we normally get a big gang and one guy with a suicide vest can ruin it all. They may use methods called  Exploiting to get in to the HQ before people are aware they are here as well.

[Wondero]

Here's a fine and dandy solution... how about the gang member(s) being processed alert their other teammates in the gang that they wish to RP with the officers and ask to not be broken out. Problem solved.

[TheCrestedPenguin]

1 hour ago, Hakeem said:

 

-Feels like breaking RP, why would you want to make an RP story if you know you can be sent to jail at any moment? 

FIX: Don't try and break your gang-mate out, and just RP. If nothing happens you won't be send to jail

-If a group of ppl can break into the HQ that easily why they shouldn't have the option to save his friend?

FIX: Your friend is in custody that means you LOST accept it and don't bitch that the cops need to lose instead of you. 

-If there are more than 10cops online I dont understand why would you do this when you can call for backup as I said, at the end  you all win.

FIX: Because incase someone tries to break their friend out he won't be able too. Again YOU lost HE is in custody.

-the simple fact that they give you the ticket before anything else is just frustating/irritating to 99% of the people.

FIX: I honestly have no idea why the fuck it frustrates you, If you want to RP you can do that aslong as your gang mate doesn't try to break out out.

-very cheap tactic to send someone to jail specially if they have big bountys (money hungry cops? )

FIX: We send you to jail because you commit a crime, Its the same as me saying that doing a bank is a cheap rebel tactic ( Money hungry rebels? ) We did not send you to jail because we gave you your ticket sooner then normal because we have a suspicion of your gang trying to break you out. If you are complaining about RP then don't get your gang to break you out.

 

[DreamC]

Guys remember cops are robocopping me or money hungry if i dont kill them all or get pardoned.

[Treeherder]

Then stop killing the cops and saving your friends. 

[Hakeem]

35 minutes ago, Wondero said:

Here's a fine and dandy solution... how about the gang member(s) being processed alert their other teammates in the gang that they wish to RP with the officers and ask to not be broken out. Problem solved.

because the chances of getting pardoned with a 300k+ bounty are minimal?  lets be honest like 95% of the APD play as a cop because of the money we can make a list here of cops that like to RP or don't care about the bounty of the criminal being processed and we wont get more than 20 guys, Thats why some cops love using this "tactic" you can see them posting here.

Edited January 25, 2016 by Hakeem

[HotWings]

3 minutes ago, Hakeem said:

because the chances of getting pardoned with a 300k+ bounty are minimal?  lets be honest like 95% of the APD play as a cop because of the money we can make a list here of cops that like to RP or don't care about the bounty of the criminal being processed and we wont get more than 20 guys, Thats why some cops love using this "tactic" you can see them posting here.

Youre wrong.  Most cops would actually RP with you if the first thing you say isnt "self defense, pardon now?" or something of the like. Rebels put zero effort into RP and expect full pardons.  If you put in zero effort, you are going to get minimal effort back, its really that simple.  I have pardon bounties well over 5 million in the past and over 500k recently.  All you have to do is try, make a compelling, entertaining, and funny story. Stop claiming everything is simply self defense and giving me no substance. Dont shoot 4 cops and claims that all of your 5 kills are self defense, we know you just shot cops, be creative as to why.

[Hakeem]

Just now, HotWings said:

Youre wrong.  Most cops would actually RP with you if the first thing you say isnt "self defense, pardon now?" or something of the like. Rebels put zero effort into RP and expect full pardons.  If you put in zero effort, you are going to get minimal effort back, its really that simple.  I have pardon bounties well over 5 million in the past and over 500k recently.  All you have to do is try, make a compelling, entertaining, and funny story. Stop claiming everything is simply self defense and giving me no substance. Dont shoot 4 cops and claims that all of your 5 kills are self defense, we know you just shot cops, be creative as to why.

I have a unique story to tell when I get caught, the last time it worked (a cop believed me) was like a month ago and I did it then because I knew this cop was a cool guy . After that I tried using the same story (dont see a problem with this) with other cops and I jut got stupid answers like, "Well sir I dont believe your story" or even worse answers but meh, you also have to understand we (players) are not fuckin storytellers you should instead value the intention  but again its just meh most of the time if the cop doesnt like you or your gang it doesnt matter how good your story is and you end up with a full ticket or stupid things like this, ticket before anything and boom you just ruined the whole situation.

[Cre]

13 minutes ago, Hakeem said:

if the cop doesnt like you or your gang it doesnt matter how good your story is and you end up with a full ticket or stupid things like this, ticket before anything and boom you just ruined the whole situation.

Cops aren't the only bad guys here. If we're going to say that issuing a ticket before anything is "boom you just ruined the whole situation", then a lot of rebels need to learn not to turn into a heaped pile of salt when they get downed/defeated. I've downed a rebel before, restrained him and escorted him to my vehicle with him moaning about how "I should be dead after 10 7.62s to my chest, and that I'm probs not playing legit because everyone else outplays me."

Also would be lovely if a lot of gang members / rebels didn't spam out 911 texts with how they are "reking us hard" during a bank, or prison. Also in general just don't be a beligerent ass who uses the word "fuck" as a space between every other word because they are upset that they got downed. You have no idea how annoying an attempt to roleplay with someone who just keeps saying "Fuck you, your shit, just give me my ticket" over you is.

If you do this, you can bet you're not the only one who wants this attempt at "RP" to be over and done with ASAP - But I still have to read you your charges and final ticket price, because I'm not taking the chance of you claiming I charged you wrong or "robocopped" you.

Tl;dr - No one is innocent. Each side can be as bad as the other.

Also, Hakeem, none of my uses of the word "you" are aimed at you. I am just using it as the general "you".

Edited January 25, 2016 by Creic

[HotWings]

If simply getting a ticket ruins your experience you're probably playing the wrong game to be perfectly honest.

[kryptonthegamer]

3 hours ago, Ronald Spiffington said:

No, I'll continue to do this.

 

Thanks for the suggestion though!

Same ronald

[OrcaNinja]

1 hour ago, Hakeem said:

you also have to understand we (players) are not fuckin storytellers you should instead value the intention  

This is an RP server. Don't want to tell stories? Go play wasteland or koth.

[Hakeem]

7 hours ago, Creic said:

 

Also would be lovely if a lot of gang members / rebels didn't spam out 911 texts with how they are "reking us hard" during a bank, or prison. Also in general just don't be a beligerent ass who uses the word "fuck" as a space between every other word because they are upset that they got downed. You have no idea how annoying an attempt to roleplay with someone who just keeps saying "Fuck you, your shit, just give me my ticket" over you is.

If you do this, you can bet you're not the only one who wants this attempt at "RP" to be over and done with ASAP - But I still have to read you your charges and final ticket price, because I'm not taking the chance of you claiming I charged you wrong or "robocopped" you.

Tl;dr - No one is innocent. Each side can be as bad as the other.

Also, Hakeem, none of my uses of the word "you" are aimed at you. I am just using it as the general "you".

believe me I completely understand your point, I mean I used to play as a cop 24/7 more than 1 year ago in server1 fighting gangs like Innovative and dealing with salty people was the bread and butter of every precint1 cop. And yes to be honest sometimes Im really pissed at cops because most of the time they act like rebels, etc but thats another topic/story.

6 hours ago, OrcaNinja said:

This is an RP server. Don't want to tell stories? Go play wasteland or koth.

sigh... bro I feel like you have a problem with us as a gang, get over it you dont even understand what I tried to say. I like RPing but it feels like some cops want me to be the Storyteller guy and put this shit while I tell them my story, and THEN they can pardon me (maybe?)

Edited January 26, 2016 by Hakeem

[Sheriff Rick Grimes]

I use this in extreme situations where I feel I might be attacked while processing a criminal.  Most cops use it for that, I don't feel it's a bad thing at all.  

[Mayhem]

Tell you what, I won't do this the moment people stop having their gang members attack the HQ with speed bombs, suicide vests, and MKs. Then we can have a very simple RP experience

[M0T4RD]

13 hours ago, Hakeem said:

Ok so the reason behind this suggestion/feedback is cops already have so many cheap tactics to win, authorizing lethals when you dont like a group of people aka gang or just because  you are losing a firefight or the simple fact that you can be robocopped because they dont like you (or your gang) and now lately I've seen a lot of cops using the (as soon as we get to the HQ) "Ok sir Im gonna give you your ticket and THEN you can explain your crimes" like what is the reasoning behind this? specially when you have a big bounty, 150k+ are cops really afraid of losing a guy with a big bounty?. And yes I play as a cop too, and I understand that you guys do this so they cant save his gangmate from the police but this is the problem, why not? why is that most of the cops think they HAVE to win all the time. In my opinion what you should do is notify the APD you have a "Big Criminal" ask for backup so you have cops guarding the HQ and then you can easily process the guy and at the end if the guy is sent to jail you all win, if you dont and they save his friend well you lost, accept it. Maybe it could be ok if there was like 5 or less cops in game but lately we have 15 cops+ most of the time and they keep doing this.

so, reasons why they(admins and captains) should take a look at this (TLDR)

-Feels like breaking RP, why would you want to make an RP story if you know you can be sent to jail at any moment?

-If a group of ppl can break into the HQ that easily why they shouldn't have the option to save his friend?

-If there are more than 10cops online I dont understand why would you do this when you can call for backup as I said, at the end  you all win.

-the simple fact that they give you the ticket before anything else is just frustating/irritating to 99% of the people.

-very cheap tactic to send someone to jail specially if they have big bountys (money hungry cops? )

EDIT: Nvm my response was just salt over something little ignore this

Edited January 26, 2016 by M0T4RD

[Dip Dip Potato Chip]

17 hours ago, Wondero said:

Here's a fine and dandy solution... how about the gang member(s) being processed alert their other teammates in the gang that they wish to RP with the officers and ask to not be broken out. Problem solved.

" Guys don't attack the hq Im gona rp it ot " said no rebel ever. I mean I a great idea wondero but you and me know it's like 1 of 1000 that say that if not no one

[Wondero]

3 hours ago, Dip Dip Potato Chip said:

" Guys don't attack the hq Im gona rp it ot " said no rebel ever. I mean I a great idea wondero but you and me know it's like 1 of 1000 that say that if not no one

Yes, I'm aware that no one says that which is why there's HQ attacks and HVT processing on the daily, but I'm sure that if some rebel actually wants to RP, it will be said.

But then again, we're still gonna end up with threads like these complaining about their own problems and blaming it on someone else.

Edited January 26, 2016 by Wondero

[Dip Dip Potato Chip]

Just now, Wondero said:

Yes, I'm aware that no one says that which is why there's HQ attacks and HVT processing on the daily, but I'm sure that if some rebel actually wants to RP, it will be said.

true. but they are a rare breed

[Reformed epTic]

You wanna talk about bullshit? Let's talk about bullshit. 

One of the scummiest gangs in Altis spends 3 hours borderline RDMing in Kavala, we catch them, and they fucking cry for a higher up until one of their gang associates comes online. 

The SGT offers the suspect a guessing game, he guesses the right number and gets a 50% ticket for no RP, all the while bitching and crying about the other cops. 

Pays his ticket, and guess what happens? As soon as he pays his ticket his gangmate runs into HQ and kills us all...after we sat there for 35 minutes listening to him scream into his microphone only for a SGT who had no participation in capturing or processing give him a half ticket just so his buddies can come in and kill us. 

[Reformed epTic]

3 hours ago, Dip Dip Potato Chip said:

" Guys don't attack the hq Im gona rp it ot " said no rebel ever. I mean I a great idea wondero but you and me know it's like 1 of 1000 that say that if not no one

Tbh I know of at least 2 guys who said that shit. 

One of them was a Bad Blood guy, can't remember the name off the cop of my head but his RP was always 10/10. 

[Dip Dip Potato Chip]

1 minute ago, epTic said:

Tbh I know of at least 2 guys who said that shit. 

One of them was a Bad Blood guy, can't remember the name off the cop of my head but his RP was always 10/10. 

As I said there are a few ppl that would actually try to rp it out, hell even I do it but they are so few that we forget them

 

[Reformed epTic]

Just now, Dip Dip Potato Chip said:

As I said there are a few ppl that would actually try to rp it out, hell even I do it but they are so few that we forget them

 

Which sucks, because I like to have fun RP with people but it's hard to RP with people who just give you the self defense and forced to do it story 25 times a day. 

One of my favorite things to do is take someone to a church and let them confess their sins in return for a pardon. 

[kryptonthegamer]

18 hours ago, OrcaNinja said:

This is an RP server. Don't want to tell stories? Go play wasteland or koth.

No

[OrcaNinja]

12 hours ago, Hakeem said:

sigh... bro I feel like you have a problem with us as a gang, get over it 

Why would I have issues with your gang? I don't have issues with anyone. I'm simply saying if you don't want to put time into your story you're not going to get anything in return. 

[HotWings]

I love how people like this make posts about robocopping, but all they do when they play cop is robocop.

[Dip Dip Potato Chip]

1 hour ago, epTic said:

Which sucks, because I like to have fun RP with people but it's hard to RP with people who just give you the self defense and forced to do it story 25 times a day. 

One of my favorite things to do is take someone to a church and let them confess their sins in return for a pardon. 

I actually married two ppl once  you know forced them into marriage one and other or else 

Edited January 26, 2016 by Dip Dip Potato Chip

[Sky]

Here we go again, cops are always the bad guys...

The reason we initiate the HVT procedure is the ensure that the officer and suspect can talk w/out interruptions. Also, you say we have 15+ officers online often, a statement that I can agree with, but you think we can just pick up 5 officers from Kavala at our request? 

"Yo we need Pyrgos HQ on lockdown."

"No can do, sir, currently in a firefight."

"No fuck you, drop everything and get yo fat ass here."

That's not how things work. All online officers are divided into the different parts of the island. If you're so in denial of losing a gangmate to police custody that you wanna attack the HQ and break him out, why should we not have a counter measure to ensure that our hard work pays off and we aren't just a faction that you can step on? 

The way I see it, people complain about the cops as a last resort to get their way...

[Mike Stmria]

I play mostly on Server/Precint 2 as cop and one thing you should learn about gangs there is something I found incredible with Encore, most of the time when you are processing them with High Bounty the stay telling a fun and good story for almost 30 mins without complaining ( at time you tell them that they are free or something and they said shut up and let me finish).

 

I´m not telling that this is the only gang that do that but I think thats what make them a good gang. Also I´ve had this experience with some FSA. I´m aware that this also has to be with the officer processing you, but just try to make a better story ( Even if its the same each time) but make it a good one so we, both, have fun dealing with this.

 

I personally don´t do the ticket thing but don´t found it bad or a chep move, I found a cheap move using Suciede Vest to free your teammate. Is that difficult to save your teammate killing the 4-5 cops that are there when you are 6-7 and free him in a "more realistic" way?

[Hakeem]

1 hour ago, HotWings said:

I love how people like this make posts about robocopping, but all they do when they play cop is robocop.

I Like giving pardons or discounts(in the worst case scenario) even if they are from rival gangs; if you have a video of me robocopping someone without any kind of "reason" show me the video or idk. I dont think you have one because I'm not like that.

Now that I remember arent you the SGT who gives a shit about precint rules? oh ok.

15 minutes ago, Skyanide said:

The reason we initiate the HVT procedure is the ensure that the officer and suspect can talk w/out interruptions. Also, you say we have 15+ officers online often, a statement that I can agree with, but you think we can just pick up 5 officers from Kavala at our request? 

Yeah I know but sometimes it feels like all they want is the money and that "If we get attacked you are going straight to jail" is just an excuse.

 

2 hours ago, epTic said:

You wanna talk about bullshit? Let's talk about bullshit. 

One of the scummiest gangs in Altis spends 3 hours borderline RDMing in Kavala, we catch them, and they fucking cry for a higher up until one of their gang associates comes online. 

The SGT offers the suspect a guessing game, he guesses the right number and gets a 50% ticket for no RP, all the while bitching and crying about the other cops. 

Pays his ticket, and guess what happens? As soon as he pays his ticket his gangmate runs into HQ and kills us all...after we sat there for 35 minutes listening to him scream into his microphone only for a SGT who had no participation in capturing or processing give him a half ticket just so his buddies can come in and kill us. 

I dont know why when I read this, something or someone inside my mind was whispering me "uDI, uDi, uDi"