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  14. Gang Fort Modification

    in Denied

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    30 minutes ago, NotMike said:

    Nobody wants to push the gang for that Envy sits at for half an hour before it caps every sunday and wednesday. Nobodies going to push it because it is too difficult to push against a group of good players. Make it so gang fort can only be held by a gang consecutively for 2 captures. 

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  24. Make Dom Great Again

    in Suggestions and Feedback (archived)

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    1 hour ago, Patato said:

    Dom is a struggle.
    Pre-nerf
    Almost every player was profitable. 
    The issue with Dom is no money comes out and we only put money in. Every dime you spend goes into a pot which will eventually see another player get that money. In the eyes of an overall economy this means the fight is "Free" because /someone/ will get the money. Where as on life once you purchase an MK that money is gone and can't come back. The MK will eventually be lost/seized

    Best real world example is that Asylum is a poker room hosting a poker table. Players come in with their own money to gamble against each other. Obviously we want a successful Poker room so we offer incentives for people to join the poker room (Again this is pre nerf scenario) 10mil starting pot + prizes. Issue is a real poker room then takes a rake of every hand, sells drinks and services which means they can recoup some of the initial investment. 

    Poker room also doesn't have a pit boss sit and stuff $20 into your pocket every 30 seconds (SRT/BloodMoney/Quests).
    (They also don't have Admins with infinite money buying all the armor for their group putting a ton of money into the pot at a cost to the server while advantaging their group)

    I have no problem putting money in to see people play Domination, It brings in potential people who would not otherwise be exposed to Asylum. The issue is how much, sure some players may take their Dom winnings and never join life - yes some people treat blood money as a leaderboard and have never spent a dollar. However some amount of money will come into the life server that the economy has to deal with. Ive heard the ludicrous argument that bank account doesn't matter and that I shouldn't care if someone has 1mil or 10mil because "Its the same thing" if that were true why would we bother at all? Everything would just be free. You also wouldn't have nearly as many complaints about admins doing dumb shit with infinite money. The negative effects of having too much money were already taking shape when i came back from my break.

    This is all before typical Asylum shenanigan's such as buying a ton of armor knowing you will get the lions share of the pot (as again everything you buy goes into the pot) then chopping/selling the frits you got most of the money back on for an additional profit. 

    Ive flip flopped back and forth a few times now on my own. The truth is Domination is still generating far more money than the life server, I don't know the solution to it without adversly affecting either one server or the other.

    I don't think this is a scenario where its Tanoa 2.0 and the server is being entirely propped up by money. (In which case i would just laugh as it died)
    But as we have seen money is obviously an issue when taken away.

    I personally don't feel Dom would survive on its own if we entirely separated out Dom cash from Asylum cash. (Meaning you would convert say 100k Asylum coin into 1mil dom cash to play with then either could only return it to life cash at a reduced percentage or not at all) 

    I also have reservations about further linking them. Throw away Idea's ive had.
    1.) Similar to infamy, 10% of any money you earn from illegal activities on life is converted to blood money. The blood money then could be used on Domination additionally it could be used to buy upgrades/skins/perks on the life server. One example would be a very heavy defib that is consumed on use but is stupidly fast at reviving. or other infamy like perks (How we stop this from being a modifier mess again im not sure)
    2.) Having some sort of system where you would basically have to buy or craft vehicles on life for use on dom. Any vehicles purchased on Dom would not go towards the pot and the funds be eaten by the server. (This would act as our rake) But ill admit forgetting to log onto life 5mins before dom and spamming buy doesn't really seem to help us all that much and is just throwing money at a governor. 


    Its stuck in a weird spot. Is it a hardcore PvP server where you risk it all for a big reward. (In which case someone has to lose big for another to win big)
    Or is it a place to have a good time, possibly make a few bucks. (In which case no one wins big but everyone breaks even)
    I could type more but this is the base of the issue.

    @Richard

    Personal note i think dom happens to frequently and was bound to feel less "Special"
    If you only ran it 1-2 times a week & on holidays its easier too feel better about making that starting pot higher

    I think it would be a good idea to have some sort of meeting with the gangs that play.  It would be good for the players and the devs/admins actually talk about these issues.

    Tyrone Darnell, Bera, Pixie and 12 others like this
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