Volunteer281

Haha no.

Listen up. i went through almost all the videos that the admins have on all kinds of cheaters, It's amazing how much work they put into it crazy spreadsheet,discussions upon discussions to make sure they make the right decison. Let me tell you, the people that were banned for 3rd party apps, deserved it, lots of evidence was gathered.I care for a healthy community and TRUST ME the admins care more than anyone here. They do this on their free time. I spent hours upon hours spectating people gathering evidence on my free time. Cause i cared for healthy fights.There is nothing fun about it, Their will always be that friend that defends the hell out of the banned person. They don't  only take 1 video has evidence, 10+ videos easy on some of those cheaters. Admins work hard to keep this hacker and scripter free. It takes month to gather enough videos. So slack off their backs and enjoy that the admins care enough to keep this community amazing
 
FOR THE RECORD PEOPLE CURRENTLY BANNED FOR 3RD PARTY APPS SHOULD STAY BAN. 

It's funny to me how this thread is sparked by a guy getting banned for blatantly using a no recoil script on KOTH in a video that he clearly never intended to be publicly listed.

Again the issue here is that usually someone is assuming they've been banned for something and they attempt to recreate it legitimately, but they've been banned for something totally different. So it ends up being irrelevant. 
I understand why you are hesitant to simply take my word on these matters. That mistrust has been a growing issue in our community as evidenced and inflamed by the cavalcade of #freeWhomever campaigns that litter forums signatures and teamspeak descriptions with increasing frequency.
However if I can put it really bluntly, the easiest way to test the veracity of my claims is this: Grow your gang, progress your skills, remain in community and see what happens. I can guarantee with 100% certitude that no matter how good you get, if you play within the rules, you'll have no issues with us. No matter how many people grumble, no matter how many people call hacks, if there is nothing there to find, we can't ban you. A) We wouldn't want to B ) Motown, Bamf and Paratus wouldn't let us. 
A lot of people believe that where there's smoke there's fire, but with regard to our evidence procedure, smoke doesn't count for anything. If we can't find the fire and prove it empirically, there's no fire. 
There's been a great deal of talk in this thread about other people who have received permanent bans for various reasons. Some of those situation certainly look strange or unjust from an outside perspective. They only see the final ban not the 20 prior bans, 5 verbal warnings, and 2 "last, last chances" to amend the behavior. Or in the case of people who have been banned for cheating, they only see the hackusations then the ban itself. They don't see the laborious efforts of our team, carefully observing this player in game or combing through logs. These situations are often complex and if I had to estimate the average investigation length is about 6 weeks. 
So all I'm asking is that you be circumspect about the claims of banned players and that you continue to advance and progress and see firsthand that we don't ban people for being good or because someone accused them of cheating. 

I would really like everyone to take note on this comment right here. I don't think you guys really understand how much spectating and submitted videos it takes for one person to get banned for 3rd Party Apps.

Take good ol Perry/Destro for example. I believe I spectated that guy for 4-5 hours, we had probably 5 submitted videos of him, and still he never got banned by Motown or Bamf. I told them I would sell my left nut for science if he wasn't cheating. And 1 month later, guess what happens...yep he was global eye banned during the Inuria ban wave. Same thing with Samson, Ezra, Kr1t1kal, Fearless, Corrado, King Identites...shall I continue? 

I don't think the community truly understands how hard it is for us to get an approved ban from Motown or Bamf for 3rd Party Apps. Sure, they can say they will show us their PCs or scan everything and show it to us, but that doesn't mean shit. Sure we had one huge ban wave that went through without Bamfs or Motowns approval, and look what happened? It caused a shit-storm and now both of those Admins are no longer Admins. 
Trust me, we do notice everyone's advice and I even made a google document that I transferred from all the suggestions forum and gave it to Paratus. There is only soo much we can do as Admins. I go through the suggestion threads almost daily to see what cool things everyone from the community is suggesting, but all I can really do is collect it, and give it to the big man. If he likes it, he will put it in. If he doesn't, he won't. 

@Sugarfoot if you do truly leave, I wish you the best of luck whatever server you choose or game you choose to play. But I must warn you, you will be surprised how much faster people are banned on other servers for 'hackusations'. Go ask some of the members of this community how long it took some of them to get perm banned on other servers because they are just good at this game. 

Firstly, I'd like to point out that Nex has been here forever. Prior to the garage change 18 months ago, he had the last surviving fuel truck in his garage (asylum used to have fuel trucks). 
As to the larger issue at hand, while I appreciate your attempt to avoid specifics and keep things conceptual, it's made it somewhat difficult to distill down your point. If you're suggesting people are being banned for cheating willy nilly because someone accused them of cheating, I can assure you that isn't the way we operate. Motown and Paratus would not tolerate such an approach.
Continuing, if your assertion is that hackusations end up getting people banned, the answer again is no. That being said, when someone is suspected of cheating, more and more people will record and report which eventually can lead to more thorough administrative investigation. But even then, we have thorough evidentiary requirements that must be upheld. Which is why there is often frustration in the community about "inaction" against people that are broadly suspected of cheating. If we don't have the evidence, we don't ban. 
Further, I understand many people are left feeling unsatisfied with the outcome of these investigations as the evidence is never made public, not even to the player in question. So their friends and associates are often outraged and decry the entire process as unfair and corrupt. However this is done simply to ensure that people don't know how they were caught and cannot easily avoid detection in the future. 
Lastly, yes these things seem to be happening with increased frequency. People get in these weird feuds with other players, a lot of shit talk in side chat, egos on the line, burnt out and apathetic, etc etc and they decide to cheat. Or use other insidious means of securing an advantage. Then they get caught, then they get banned, then the silent majority sights in relief while the individual's friends go apoplectic on the forums.  
If I have failed to address your specific concerns, please let me know and I will attempt to do so. But the broad point I'm trying to make is that this is a video game, sometimes people cheat and as a result we have to ban them. I know that it's frustrating and the policy of secrecy exacerbates that, but we're all trying our best to ensure a healthy, fun and cheater free experience for everyone who plays asylum. 
As for your concerns about toxicity, I'm in complete agreement. I think it's gotten worse and frankly out of hand. The amount of outright ugliness that people throw at eachother is unbelievable and it's a shame. But there isn't much we can do currently to get people to interact with eachother with a little basic decency. 

First, not everything has to be centered around gangs. They are a part of the game, not the end all be all of asylum.
Second, blanket passive aggressive comments are not helpful nor constructive. If however you have some good suggestions Mod wise that you feel would help gangs want to fight each other then let us know here. We are open to ideas. 

all that suspense for that crap?

#Haplocked.

I'd just like to take a minute to thank all of you for your service:
 

First, not everything has to be centered around gangs. They are a part of the game, not the end all be all of asylum.
Second, blanket passive aggressive comments are not helpful nor constructive. If however you have some good suggestions Mod wise that you feel would help gangs want to fight each other then let us know here. We are open to ideas. 

First, not everything has to be centered around gangs. They are a part of the game, not the end all be all of asylum.
Second, blanket passive aggressive comments are not helpful nor constructive. If however you have some good suggestions Mod wise that you feel would help gangs want to fight each other then let us know here. We are open to ideas. 

Don't be worried. It will be just a kind of "test run" on one of the servers or maybe even a 6th server. But we will not be turning into A3L running around Lakeside with a yellow mullet and huge sombrero on your head. I'm sure all we'll see from the test run would be some new weapons, vehicles and maybe outfits. 

As of right now the mod's Paratus would use are other people's mods found on the steam workshop. So really the only thing Paratus would need to do is to limit what is accessible from the mod on the servers and what is off limits (Tanks, Rocket Launchers, etc).

As of right now the mod's Paratus would use are other people's mods found on the steam workshop. So really the only thing Paratus would need to do is to limit what is accessible from the mod on the servers and what is off limits (Tanks, Rocket Launchers, etc).

>still plays asylum and browses the forums daily.
>Servers get 90-100 people late EU, early NA times.
>somehow a failing community.
No.
 
Green chat works by the way guys.

As of right now the mod's Paratus would use are other people's mods found on the steam workshop. So really the only thing Paratus would need to do is to limit what is accessible from the mod on the servers and what is off limits (Tanks, Rocket Launchers, etc).

Don't be worried. It will be just a kind of "test run" on one of the servers or maybe even a 6th server. But we will not be turning into A3L running around Lakeside with a yellow mullet and huge sombrero on your head. I'm sure all we'll see from the test run would be some new weapons, vehicles and maybe outfits. 

Don't be worried. It will be just a kind of "test run" on one of the servers or maybe even a 6th server. But we will not be turning into A3L running around Lakeside with a yellow mullet and huge sombrero on your head. I'm sure all we'll see from the test run would be some new weapons, vehicles and maybe outfits. 

One of the biggest considerations with other maps are whether or not they have player buy-able housing and if they are suited for a lifemod. I personally really enjoyed Esseker on breakingpoint but it is a pretty small map once you add in vehicles and most of the buildings are Arma II based (not buy-able).   

TFR with a teamspeak that is getting downed every minute of the day... not a really good idea at the moment.
Would be amazing if the teamspeak was reliable, however.

 
 
Bornholm could be a good pick, lots of houses from Arma 3 on it.  

Guidebook - Section F, Number 5: If a Captain becomes unpopular, an overwhelming majority vote by the Lieutenants can get him demoted
 
Durga edit:
 
 
This is a plea to the Lieutenants of the Altis Police Department on behalf of the citizens of Altis. We may not always get along, but I hope that some level of mutual respect exists. It is through this respect that I hope that we may put our differences aside to come together on a single complication - the elephant in the room and arguably, one of the biggest issues facing our community today: The Captains of the Altis Police Department.
 
Lieutenants, it is not just I, Bilal Battu, but the entire community begging you to take a stand. I call on you to be brave and ignore the vulnerabilities of your rank that cause you to cower into your unjust and forced silence. The Captains of the APD treat both their own officers and citizens like second class human beings. It is a shame that our community of Asylum has been forced to brave this storm and today, I am calling for a stop to this madness.
 
As loyal people of this island, both the citizens and police staff have been far too abused. I call for a vote to charge the current Captains of the Altis Police Department with WAR CRIMES.
 
We call for action now. A secret and anonymous ballot is being sent out to all current Lieutenants of the Altis Police Department to vote off our current Captains. Lieutenants, please take this very seriously and understand what is at stake. To my fellow civilians and lower ranking officers of the APD, I ask that you give our Lieutenants support in their endeavor to rid us of these Captains, as they cannot do this without a strong roar of support from our community.
 
The proposal before us is for the greater of this community. Alone we stand no chance, together we are a force. A force that can not be ignored. Such a force, would bring strength instead of weakness, cohesion instead of division, Freedom over oppression!
 
May we look forward to a hopeful future in our Altis of tomorrow and achieve better times than we currently face today. Allahu Akbar!
 
Your civil servant,
 
Bilal Battu

Don't waste your time...not that good of a movie imo

I was a career cop for a year and and few months before I mistakenly made that post. I never cared about ranking up, always had 3+ cadets with me, and never played with higher ups. The only reason higher ranks knew me is because I was a constable with a lot of the old timers(when they were constables themselves). Only reason some of the admins know me is because I played civ for 6 months before I ever became a cop and a lot of them were non admin constables who would arrest me all the time. 
Seriously though, I can own up to my mistake of making that post, and I hope my constant leniency shows that I know people make mistakes but also know it doesn't define who we are. I apologize to all the perfect individuals who never make mistakes, but that's just not me. What I failed to realize when I made that post is that it's literally impossible for a SGT+ to promote someone they don't know, how could they? So who do we put the blame on, the user for not finding the higher ups or higher ups for not finding the users?
Oh, and by the way Murmurs, my actual feedback was that my playtime was 40% and that no one knew me (because I didn't play with higher ups! whoops!) So please make sure you have your facts straight before you try to sling someone through the mud. 
This is the last time I'll be visiting this post but would like to say that if ANYONE ever has an issue / idea/ complaint/ what-the-fuck-ever it may be I am ALWAYS willing to speak to you. I don't think I am special, smart, or anything more than another person. My only goal as Captain is to give my all to my favorite gaming community who has treated me so well over the last couple of years.
I love you all - Jamooze

Thanks for your input Flusha!