The Great CSAT Debate

[TheRealLethal]

So basically after 6.0 came out they took out pilot coveralls, but we all just used CSAT Fatigues because they had the same armor as the coveralls. After this was fully realized by the devs these were also removed. So what we are left with is clothing that has literally zero armor. At the time, it sounded like a good thing to me, but my opinion has changed.

So whats wrong with having clothes with no armor, well it effectively makes you a one shot to everywhere but the Carrier Lite. (plz no "realism" arguments.) So what this means is, at almost any range if a rook hits you in the leg you will either be dead or have your leg broken, making you a limping easy target. And yes i understand if you got shot IRL in the leg you would be out of the fight, but this isnt real life, this is a casual life server.

The reason i feel we need this is because of how low tier guns have changed, Those of you that fight cartels can confirm that an SDAR is a scary thing now. Even a pistol is a scary sight. I dont think people should be walking tanks, i just dont see why it is viable for people to spend 900 dollars on a gun and be combat effective. This isnt a salt post, but i feel player experience could be increased if we did not get melted by a luck spray from a rook macro.

Suggestion 1:

Add All CSAT back, remove carrier lites. If an imbalance is still detected between Rebel and Cop engagements, Add the carrier lite for cops. Alot of cops play undercover right now anyway.

Suggestion 2:

Add all CSAT back, keep carrier lites. But implement a script that does not allow a user to wear both CSAT and carrier Lites. This would allow people to choose what to wear, and would not render the none armored clothing useless. Scripting wise, this is very easy to do.

In conclusion, i just want to look swag again. Feel free to post competent replies.

@bamf

 

Edited June 16, 2016 by TheRealLethal

[Corn]

+1

[hamsham12]

I mean with the new addition of clothing with apex I look pretty 'swag' no need for CSAT's imo..

[Scott]

Tac vest/csat seems to take about the same amount of shots to the vest as a carrier lite. To me.

[Guest]

We're going for less militaristic, not more.

[TheRealLethal]

1 minute ago, Gnashes said:

We're going for less militaristic, not more.

fair enough, even without CSAT, we all wear military uniforms.

[King]

4 minutes ago, Gnashes said:

We're going for less militaristic, not more.

There is nothing "militaristic" about this server...

[cFeor]

Just add a max armor rating when you use both carrier lite and CSAT

[Rodrigo]

I have more than enough m8 

[WilliamS]

2 minutes ago, Rodrigo said:

I have more than enough m8 

pshh throw em over my way (:

[Addon]

1 minute ago, Rodrigo said:

I have more than enough m8 

@Gnashes please remove these from his crates there are some duped silencers at the bottom.

[Rodrigo]

Just now, Addon said:

@Gnashes please remove these from his crates there are some duped silencers at the bottom.

Don't listen to him, there is only csat fatigues in that crate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

or is it? 

[TheRealLethal]

7 minutes ago, Rodrigo said:

I have more than enough m8 

player addUniform ' U_O_CombatUniform_ocamo ';     AMIRITE 

Edited June 16, 2016 by TheRealLethal

[Rodrigo]

1 minute ago, TheRealLethal said:

player addUniform ' U_O_CombatUniform_ocamo ';     AMIRITE Kappa

wooow, I had that for a long time before I made moderator you fuck 

[TheRealLethal]

Just now, Rodrigo said:

wooow, I had that for a long time before I made moderator you fuck 

im just kidding. i know you dont script, you cant even teleport properly 

[Rodrigo]

Just now, TheRealLethal said:

im just kidding. i know you dont script, you cant even teleport properly 

[Boris]

Remove carrier lites and add CSAT clothes.

No balls, you fuckin' wont.

[KevinOB]

17 minutes ago, Rodrigo said:

I have more than enough m8 

Id keep this on the DL, or bamf is going to add this to the BABS list for admins. Pilot coveralls are already on it.

[Super Bumbi]

A rook won't kill you ;]

[Rodrigo]

Just now, KevinOB said:

Id keep this on the DL, or bamf is going to add this to the BABS list for admins. Pilot coveralls are already on it.

Hahaha  

[Retro Swift]

WHER'S MY PINK CLOTHING AT!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited June 16, 2016 by Retro Swift

[Dust Runner]

46 minutes ago, Gnashes said:

We're going for less militaristic, not more.

 

[Haych]

I love CSAT clothing but it's fine the way it is, it will simply make the APD cry even more. If you bring a a low caliber gun to a cartel and get kills, its because you out smarted your opponent and out positioned him. You should be rewarded for such thing, not have someone sponge upto 5 shots from your 5.56 because of the clothing they are wearing.

We got a whole load of clothing added to the Altis stores, and when Tanoa comes out, we'll be seeing even more, It's fine the way it is, even if CSAT clothing is sexy, especially the new Special Purpose ones.

[Axe]

1 hour ago, Rodrigo said:

I have more than enough m8 

Clearly spawned in

 

[Big Bird]

Making cast fatigues a arms cartel benifit like the mk200 would also be a good way to balance this.

[HotWings]

I still wonder what my paid is coveralls is worth.

[Ghost0fDawn]

At rebel outpost the other day on Tanoa I single handedly killed around 10 or more velocity as they respawned at their turf and came back 30 seconds later. Using an AK12, I fended off several people for a considerable time. Had I a pistol? Not a chance. You don't need CSAT fatigues to be good, you need skill. Also, CSAT Pilot Coveralls have more armor than CSAT fatigues, and the new special purpose suits have even more armor than that.

 

I've been shot plenty of times, sometimes several with pistols and not died or taken too much damage, my vests are working so I don't see the problem?

[Smee]

Sold @AndrewFam 30 CSAT Fatigues.

[AndrewFam]

1 hour ago, Smee said:

Sold @AndrewFam 30 CSAT Fatigues.

 i don't even use them because i'm too lazy to go to my house lel

Edited June 17, 2016 by AndrewFam

[AndrewFam]

14 hours ago, Haych said:

I love CSAT clothing but it's fine the way it is

 

[AndrewFam]

11 hours ago, Parker said:

Making cast fatigues a arms cartel benifit like the mk200 would also be a good way to balance this.

 

[Reformed epTic]

On 6/16/2016 at 7:30 PM, Haych said:

I love CSAT clothing but it's fine the way it is, it will simply make the APD cry even more. If you bring a a low caliber gun to a cartel and get kills, its because you out smarted your opponent and out positioned him. You should be rewarded for such thing, not have someone sponge upto 5 shots from your 5.56 because of the clothing they are wearing.

We got a whole load of clothing added to the Altis stores, and when Tanoa comes out, we'll be seeing even more, It's fine the way it is, even if CSAT clothing is sexy, especially the new Special Purpose ones.

It's not crying when you literally needed 5 fucking magazines from a Sting to down someone wearing carrier lites + csat. It's a valid fucking gripe. 

[Haych]

1 minute ago, epTic said:

It's not crying when you literally needed 5 fucking magazines from a Sting to down someone wearing carrier lites + csat. It's a valid fucking gripe. 

The Sting is irrelevant, you have free MK20's.

[Reformed epTic]

1 minute ago, Haych said:

The Sting is irrelevant, you have free MK20's.

CSAT/Carrier Lites were a huge issue before MK20s were introduced. 

You tank 5-10 shots with a fucking MK to the chest using 5.56 with carrier lite, is that not enough for you to fire off one round? 

 

Edited June 19, 2016 by epTic

[Sheriff Rick Grimes]

I like less armor because I don't want to have to shoot someone so many fucking times, this is Arma.

[Haych]

6 minutes ago, epTic said:

CSAT/Carrier Lites were a huge issue before MK20s were introduced. 

You tank 5-10 shots with a fucking MK to the chest using 5.56 with carrier lite, is that not enough for you to fire off one round? 

 

MK20 was introduced for a reason to cadets ever since Bohemia made 9mm and other low calibers useless against any level 2 or higher vest. I mean whats your argument? Yes cops cry at everything rebels have, yes the sting is bad, yes it takes about 4 shots from a MK20 to kill the average rebel. What case are you trying to make?

Before the Rig update, 9mm's where perfectly fine against armour 

Edited June 19, 2016 by Haych

[Reformed epTic]

Just now, Haych said:

MK20 was introduced for a reason to cadets ever since Bohemia made 9mm and other low calibers useless against any level 2 or higher vest. I mean whats your argument? Yes cops cry at everything rebels have, yes the sting is bad, yes it takes about 4 shots from a MK20 to kill the average rebel. What case are you trying to make?

Before the Rig update, 9mm's where perfectly fine against armour 

I'm saying that with CSAT+Carrier Lite, you still tank 5-10 shots WITH THE 5.56

Pretty sure I see rebels crying equally as much on the forums "TOO MANY COPS, CAP COPS, COPS OP, COPS NEED TO PAY FOR THEIR GEAR". 

Don't like the server? Go back to the ones you came from. I heard Krypton is always looking for new cuckolds over @ Olympus. 

[Haych]

1 minute ago, epTic said:

I'm saying that with CSAT+Carrier Lite, you still tank 5-10 shots WITH THE 5.56

Pretty sure I see rebels crying equally as much on the forums "TOO MANY COPS, CAP COPS, COPS OP, COPS NEED TO PAY FOR THEIR GEAR". 

Don't like the server? Go back to the ones you came from. I heard Krypton is always looking for new cuckolds over @ Olympus. 

Did I say I didn't like the server?

Sure I don't agree with cadets getting one of the best CQC guns available on the server, especially after the removal of CSAT clothing, but the APD needs them because the higher ups have 0 sense when it comes to strategy and leading a team in combat. The only rebels you see crying on the forums about cops being too OP are the ones who play using Wii controllers.

[Gatorade]

This thread went off track fast

[Reformed epTic]

Just now, Haych said:

Did I say I didn't like the server?

Sure I don't agree with cadets getting one of the best CQC guns available on the server, especially after the removal of CSAT clothing, but the APD needs them because the higher ups have 0 sense when it comes to strategy and leading a team in combat. The only rebels you see crying on the forums about cops being too OP are the ones who play using Wii controllers.

Oh wow, the cadets have the best CQC guns available on the server. 

Considering that 95% of the engagements that are rebel vs cop involve rebels sitting in inaccessible/hard to access locations, you don't even have to worry about getting into close quarters.