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Approved Group cap will be increased to 20. Gang group remains unlimited We will continue to monitor and adjust the cap as necessary. We are hesitant to have unlimited groups. We found in the test wipe multiple gangs would group together and steamroll smaller groups/cops.  Regarding the Armed Ghost Hawk, we will be removing the ability to arm the Ghost Hawk from APD.  The increased group cap will take effect next time we patch, The Ghost Hawk change will ta
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26 minutes ago, DarkKnight said:

I have used the hawk against you guys because of the constant fed spam over the last few days. It has been non stop. You guys say the hawk is annoying to deal with even though you still win most of the time. I think you guys forget it is annoying on the cop side to have to show up to the fed over and over and fight the same group all day. Most cops these days want to chill and go on patrol and fight a fed here and there. When you guys are on they barely have time to go check fields or interact with other players. So yes, I have been using the hawk against you guys to give you a rough time and help boost morale on cop. I'm just trying to help the cops have some fun and catch a win occasionally. 

Refering to your comment on me patroling with an armed hawk. That did not happen. Snoop was the one who sent the message and he was just trolling him. At the time the hawk was not armed. I would never do that. Except for one other bank I have only used the hawk this wipe against your gang. 

Clearly this has caused a lot of drama. I am not a toxic person or want to ruin anyones experience. I want people to have fun on the server and stick around. I will pull back my usage of the hawk. I also welcome anyone reading this to feel free and message me when I'm in teamspeak and we can have a constructive talk about any of these issues.

 

 

 

 

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12 civs in a group but 20+ cop slots? Evidence requires 12 cops but u can only have 12 civs?

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Approved Group cap will be increased to 20. Gang group remains unlimited We will continue to monitor and adjust the cap as necessary. We are hesitant to have unlimited groups.

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I will say, there is no need for a Ghost Hawk when the numbers are that one sided. Unless a Titan is added to the server to take it out to balance things out.

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Just now, DarkKnight said:

And I get that. I did it to be rough on you guys. If I over did it I appologize. Just please understand for most cops it is not an enjoyable experince fighting feds all day getting pounded into the ground. Even if we win a few of them it can be annoying. It's the same thing over and over. People like to do other things. I was just trying to find some middle ground. We may get some kills with the hawk but your gang still comes out on top and wins a majority of the time. 

just because we win does not mean we're having fun, everytime ive had a ghost hawk pulled on me its like being trapped in the second battle of Al-Fallujah in the fed reserve. All this has acomplished is making it not fun for both parties. There has to be a better way to deal with this issue.

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4 minutes ago, Ken said:

Literally the last bank i did DK pulled out the hawk against us, i was even stuck on back rock with no cover from the thing. We ripped the gunners out of it almost every time it passed by. We did eventually lose, but the hawk wasnt even in the area at that time. No one complained about it, we had a blast having a different experience then the same old boring sitting in a defended position waiting for constables to push in hatchbacks.

you've had it pulled on you once, ive had it pulled on me all fucking day.

 

5 minutes ago, Ken said:

In regards to your reply to DK's post, its not enjoyable for the cops either to constantly push defended positions all the time. Me hopping on cop is rare these days, i enjoy my time trolling on civ now. The last time i got on cop i spent 4 hours playing, i literally patrolled one field that entire time. The rest was fighting Bank, Prison, and Fed.

There needs to be a understanding that sometimes the Captains are going to do things to bring morale of the cops up, you may not like it at the time but it is in your best interest as well seeing you guys want to continue fighting cops.

cops literally get free loadouts, you have to be stupid to not be making money on cop. The server is literally orientated for cops vs robbers, if this is so upsetting to you then put in a ballot to change the server meta. Otherwise, why am I being punished for playing the game the way its been designed???
 

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1 minute ago, APD captain gape horne said:



so many constables walk around with mks at every fed event and almost always have armor now 
(free mk kits btw)

clueless

 

SWAT Whitelisted constables get mk1 kits, but this maxes out at 4 total across all the SWAT officers. Free mk1 kits dont exist, if you were given an MK by a cpt then die, you have to re-gear, which costs money. While cops do get "free kits" for 90% of the officers this consists of a SPAR-16 with 8 mags, a lvl 2 vest, and an ACO scope, this kit sucks so nobody uses it and buy better.

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clueless

 

SWAT Whitelisted constables get mk1 kits, but this maxes out at 4 total across all the SWAT officers. Free mk1 kits dont exist, if you were given an MK by a cpt then die, you have to re-gear, which costs money. While cops do get "free kits" for 90% of the officers this consists of a SPAR-16 with 8 mags, a lvl 2 vest, and an ACO scope, this kit sucks so nobody uses it and buy better.

no no 

when they are out of swat kits they come back with mks every time, they even patrol with them bro !!! your a fucking retard !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

also paying 10k for a kit makes it free nigga lets not act retarded please

bro doesnt know they save it in their gear up !!!! 

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SWAT Whitelisted constables get mk1 kits, but this maxes out at 4 total across all the SWAT officers. Free mk1 kits dont exist, if you were given an MK by a cpt then die, you have to re-gear, which costs money. While cops do get "free kits" for 90% of the officers this consists of a SPAR-16 with 8 mags, a lvl 2 vest, and an ACO scope, this kit sucks so nobody uses it and buy better.

so the headless chicken is calling us clueless, when @Charkshas had an mk1 for every single fight without being swat. Regearing costs you 10k and its extremely fast, it takes us 30k and at least 5 minutes to get back, your HQ is 900 meters away. Get a grip.

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8 minutes ago, Infamous [FULL SEND] said:

you've had it pulled on you once, ive had it pulled on me all fucking day.

 

cops literally get free loadouts, you have to be stupid to not be making money on cop. The server is literally orientated for cops vs robbers, if this is so upsetting to you then put in a ballot to change the server meta. Otherwise, why am I being punished for playing the game the way its been designed???
 

Ive had to fight it more then once, one time was when DK did it to troll me when i was with Farmers Ville of all people and not even @pan friedcomplained about it shockingly enough.

Why would a cop use a shit free loadout to push a federal event where the people they are fighting have CSATS and MK's sitting behind a wall in a elevated position? I bet you next will say their loadouts are cheaper? Sure but youll neglect to mention the fact that even though they are a little bit cheaper they have to respawn 5 times and regear 5 times while your still sitting behind that wall. So in the end, no their loadouts arnt even cheaper. Ohh cool they won the bank against the rebels? Guess what, they still lost because they spent more money fighting you then they got from disabling the drill and giving whoever they caught tickets.

The cops would actually be able to make some money if they actually got to play the server how, as you say, "is literally orientated to play". This includes the cops patrolling around and catching the people in the cities killing other people. It involves them patrolling fields so that people arnt freely making money uncontested breaking patato's economy.

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1 minute ago, Infamous [FULL SEND] said:

so the headless chicken is calling us clueless, when @Charkshas had an mk1 for every single fight without being swat. Regearing costs you 10k and its extremely fast, it takes us 30k and at least 5 minutes to get back, your HQ is 900 meters away. Get a grip.

Sounds like you need a better gaming chair bozo

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Ive had to fight it more then once, one time was when DK did it to troll me when i was with Farmers Ville of all people and not even @pan friedcomplained about it shockingly enough.

Why would a cop use a shit free loadout to push a federal event where the people they are fighting have CSATS and MK's sitting behind a wall in a elevated position? I bet you next will say their loadouts are cheaper? Sure but youll neglect to mention the fact that even though they are a little bit cheaper they have to respawn 5 times and regear 5 times while your still sitting behind that wall. So in the end, no their loadouts arnt even cheaper. Ohh cool they won the bank against the rebels? Guess what, they still lost because they spent more money fighting you then they got from disabling the drill and giving whoever they caught tickets.

The cops would actually be able to make some money if they actually got to play the server how, as you say, "is literally orientated to play". This includes the cops patrolling around and catching the people in the cities killing other people. It involves them patrolling fields so that people arnt freely making money uncontested breaking patato's economy.

saying a spar 16 is a shit gun is crazy work !!!

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1 hour ago, APD captain gape horne said:

BASED 

while we are on the topic why are there so many constables just marching around with free mks nowadays? 

Since the wipe I have passed out 4 MKs. I gave 2 to Charks 1 to Gravity and 1 to Jake who is retired staff. I have played a lot of hours this wipe so far and I'm not seeing a bunch of Constables patrolling with them. While I have been on the server there hasn't been a single time where we have handed out MKs to every cop online. What normally happens is a Captain might hand out one or two during fed events or to let a couple cops enjoy them on patrol for a bit. 

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1 minute ago, Infamous [FULL SEND] said:

so the headless chicken is calling us clueless, when @Charkshas had an mk1 for every single fight without being swat. Regearing costs you 10k and its extremely fast, it takes us 30k and at least 5 minutes to get back, your HQ is 900 meters away. Get a grip.

Defending is 10x easier than attacking, anyone SGT+ with a half decent kit is 20k minimum, want us to start spawning 5 minutes away? im sure that will be fun for you... there was no mk's handed out last night by any of the captains for the fed so if you have proof otherwise please report it

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Since the wipe I have passed out 4 MKs. I gave 2 to Charks 1 to Gravity and 1 to Jake who is retired staff. I have played a lot of hours this wipe so far and I'm not seeing a bunch of Constables patroing with them. While I have been on the server there hasn't been a single time where we have handed out MKs to every cop online. What normally happens is a Captain might hand out one or two during fed events or to let a couple cops enjoy them on patrol for a bit. 

i guess they are spawning them in then because every time i see charks and gravity they have a mk in their hands must not be you doing it !!

1 minute ago, william said:

Defending is 10x easier than attacking, anyone SGT+ with a half decent kit is 20k minimum, want us to start spawning 5 minutes away? im sure that will be fun for you... there was no mk's handed out last night by any of the captains for the fed so if you have proof otherwise please report it

i love when people who have never done a fed ( not a federal event a federal reserve robbery) or evidence talk about how doing the event in question is just so easy like lol !! defending all 3 gates and 3 van spots at the fed is light workk bro im sure you could get a group that could easilly do that shit bro !! (we are literally the only group on the server that does fed)

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4 minutes ago, william said:

Defending is 10x easier than attacking, anyone SGT+ with a half decent kit is 20k minimum, want us to start spawning 5 minutes away? im sure that will be fun for you... there was no mk's handed out last night by any of the captains for the fed so if you have proof otherwise please report it

why am I being blamed for how the events are designed? not to mention we literally put one person on each gate, if you all used ur brains and slammed a gate you'd win 9/10. 

 

5 minutes ago, Ken said:

Why would a cop use a shit free loadout to push a federal event where the people they are fighting have CSATS and MK's sitting behind a wall in a elevated position? I bet you next will say their loadouts are cheaper? Sure but youll neglect to mention the fact that even though they are a little bit cheaper they have to respawn 5 times and regear 5 times while your still sitting behind that wall. So in the end, no their loadouts arnt even cheaper. Ohh cool they won the bank against the rebels? Guess what, they still lost because they spent more money fighting you then they got from disabling the drill and giving whoever they caught tickets.

The cops would actually be able to make some money if they actually got to play the server how, as you say, "is literally orientated to play". This includes the cops patrolling around and catching the people in the cities killing other people. It involves them patrolling fields so that people arnt freely making money uncontested breaking patato's economy.

so then I ask you again, why am I being punished for how the server meta is designed? It literally doesnt make sense to me, the server is designed this way. Its meant to be played this way, and yet when I play it this way, I get punished for it??? Like i said, why dont you put in a suggestion and talk to your posse and say "hey, instead of ruining everyones experience as a solution to the APD not having fun, why dont we change the meta on the server to stop facilitating this gameplay?"

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1 minute ago, Infamous [FULL SEND] said:

why am I being blamed for how the events are designed? 

 

so then I ask you again, why am I being punished for how the server meta is designed? It literally doesnt make sense to me, the server is designed this way. Its meant to be played this way, and yet when I play it this way, I get punished for it??? Like i said, why dont you put in a suggestion and talk to your posse and say "hey, instead of ruining everyones experience as a solution to the APD not having fun, why dont we change the meta on the server to stop facilitating this gameplay?"

And ill say again, your being punished because you keep spamming federal events. Why are the cops being punished?

You keep mentioning metas but metas change, in every single game, including Arma/Asylum. The cartel meta use to be sniper elite and quick peaking, now its sitting in a ifrit and dropping on smoke canisters. This is yet another meta that changed, and it has a way to beat it. Do a federal event or two, and go find something else to do for a bit so the cops can patrol and actually enjoy their time on the game and stay on longer.

Stop with the me me me me short term thinking and start thinking about a hour or a day down the road from now and how you can keep the cops online longer to have someone to keep fighting.

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1 minute ago, Ken said:

And ill say again, your being punished because you keep spamming federal events. Why are the cops being punished?

You keep mentioning metas but metas change, in every single game, including Arma/Asylum. The cartel meta use to be sniper elite and quick peaking, now its sitting in a ifrit and dropping on smoke canisters. This is yet another meta that changed, and it has a way to beat it. Do a federal event or two, and go find something else to do for a bit so the cops can patrol and actually enjoy their time on the game and stay on longer.

Stop with the me me me me short term thinking and start thinking about a hour or a day down the road from now and how you can keep the cops online longer to have someone to keep fighting.

you literally have the ability to push for a change in the meta. Short tern thinking is catering to a small minority of the playerbase (APD) compared to keeping the majority of player happy

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2 minutes ago, 王 rando 王 said:

@Infamous [FULL SEND] programmatically make it so only 5 ghost hawks can be pulled during a week time span. then it’s up to captains to decide when they want to use them. if they waste all 5 early in the week then they suffer from poor resource management.

this is a really good idea imo, or simply make it so the ghost hawk cannot shoot until shot like oly does

Just now, Ken said:

Limit your lockpicks to 10 a week 🙁

you're reaching and grasping with this one

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2 minutes ago, Infamous [FULL SEND] said:

you literally have the ability to push for a change in the meta. Short tern thinking is catering to a small minority of the playerbase (APD) compared to keeping the majority of player happy

The APD is not the minority, The APD's roll in the server is just as important as the Civ role. They literally work hand in hand to keep the server alive. 

Without cops the civs dont have much to do. Without civs the cops have nothing to do. Both sides need to be kept happy and healthy.

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59 minutes ago, Infamous [FULL SEND] said:

why am I being blamed for how the events are designed? 

 

so then I ask you again, why am I being punished for how the server meta is designed? It literally doesnt make sense to me, the server is designed this way. Its meant to be played this way, and yet when I play it this way, I get punished for it??? Like i said, why dont you put in a suggestion and talk to your posse and say "hey, instead of ruining everyones experience as a solution to the APD not having fun, why dont we change the meta on the server to stop facilitating this gameplay?"

To be fair the server was never intended to just be fed event spam. It's a light RP cops and robbers server. Cops are supposed to be able to drive around and patrol fields and cities. Show up to 911 calls if someone needs help. Feds are just one part of it. When one group spams feds all day it throws off the balance. The group spamming feds is taking our full attention. We aren't contesting illegal areas or interacting with other players. The reason the hawk was added was to punish the groups that did non stop feds. So the fact it is a thorn in your side while spamming feds just means it's working as entended. As I said before I will pull my usage back. I'm just giving you the back story on why it was added in the first place. 

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2 minutes ago, DarkKnight said:

So the fact it is a thorn in your side while spamming feds just means it's working as entended.

the thing is, its not a deterrent like you think, its not like we've pulled back on the amount of fed events we've done, all its accomplished is making it seriously unfun

6 minutes ago, Ken said:

The APD is not the minority, The APD's roll in the server is just as important as the Civ role. They literally work hand in hand to keep the server alive. 

Without cops the civs dont have much to do. Without civs the cops have nothing to do. Both sides need to be kept happy and healthy.

in terms of playerbase, they're a fraction of the civ player base. By definition they're the minority unless you count the AFD as the real minorities. 

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4 minutes ago, Infamous [FULL SEND] said:

in terms of playerbase, they're a fraction of the civ player base. By definition they're the minority unless you count the AFD as the real minorities. 

I think of the AFD more like illegals crossing the border, do they really count?





I only joke, please dont cancel me AFD

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the thing is, its not a deterrent like you think, its not like we've pulled back on the amount of fed events we've done, all its accomplished is making it seriously unfun

It can be considered a deterrent but I don't look at it that way. As I said before it's there to be a thorn in your side while you are spamming feds. I know it won't stop you from doing them but it could allow the cops to win or cause you guys to take a break and go fight a cartel. I say this with respect. Sometimes it seems like you care more about "your" experince then the other players outside of your gang. Think about it for a second. We have had a shit ton of gangs do events since the wipe and your gang is the only one that deals with the hawk. All of the other gangs have regular fights against the cops because they do other things inbetween the fed events. All you guys would have to do is pull back a little bit and none of this would be an issue. Then cops could do what they want and fight you guys at the fed. I won't lie, it has been a battle trying to keep the cops on while you guys fed spam. At the rate you guys are going you might not be able to do them anymore becasue there will be 3 or 4 cops on. I would like to avoid that. As I said before I'm just trying to find some middle ground here. 

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15 minutes ago, DarkKnight said:

I say this with respect. Sometimes it seems like you care more about "your" experince then the other players outside of your gang.

I feel like I could argue the same for you too, because you've constantly been pushing buffs for the APD while never pushing anything of the sort for rebels. To some extent you also care more about the APD's experience than ours. The difference is you actually have the power and ability to make a difference in our experiences, while we're hopeless in terms of power. You put you and the APD's interests above ours, we're just putting them right back at the same level.

15 minutes ago, DarkKnight said:

All you guys would have to do is pull back a little bit and none of this would be an issue. Then cops could do what they want and fight you guys at the fed.

we're playing the game the way the game lets us play it. you're a CM why dont you push for a change so that this isnt such an issue; so we dont get the blame for making APD log off for just playing the game the way im allowed to.

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