Issues With asylum from a new players perspective

[Despair]

Prob gonna get roasted and made fun of for this, but I legitimately hope it helps the situation here regardless. I’ve been playing here about 2 months now and id like to share some of my experience to hopefully give the staff/development some guidance on how they can improve things as they seem generally out of touch with what much of the community wants. I also play mostly by myself so it might give a more unique perspective.

 

Money making - Honestly the grind on this server is terrible shit reminds me of black desert online or grinding for MR in warframe. I was lucky to be brought into the game by a friend from eve online that showed me the ropes, I however can’t imagine how difficult it would be for a player without experienced players to guide them on how to make money

Some of the issues ive come across regarding this are primarily most of the runs aren’t profitable and take a large amount of time for the reward. Notability a full orca of cocaine, plus backpack for example nets 68k. For a hours time. Heroin around the same, the most profitable runs like meth however that do have a reasonable payout are constantly camped by larger gangs making it almost impossible for smaller gangs/new players to make money. Hyper was quite bad for this when I first joined, and most recently WS. Other gangs etc. Even with houses I was killed trying to scout the lab with hatchbacks 7x times in one day. New players without houses and that don’t know about the system, will most likely go for larger vehicles which are almost always robbed due to the time to finish them.

 

• Example I had brought another new player into demolition, he tried playing here three times. He was robbed every single time, or had cops arrest him etc. Tried running cocaine which is a nightmare due to it being right fucking next to rebel/spawn city which is retarded. Tried running a hemmit transport of heroin same thing. Lost interest and went to another server, after spending 6 hours not making any money, Even with other players guiding him. That is the average experience/learning curve for a new player

 

Roleplay - Im not some GTARP fag and I understand that this is a light rp server, BUT there is little to no role-play from APD which should be the primary ones promoting it. Given I have dealt with some great people aswell that are willing to work with you and have a fun time when the role-play comes up. But the vast majority do not care and use cop as a money maker same as medic due to the civ grind being more aids.  The only role-play ive really gotten to experience is in athira which has been the best of my time on the server frankly.

 

• Example im driving a van full of moonshine to Wongs, cop sirens me, I have no bounty, so I go ill role-play with this guy. Super friendly put my gun and wannot in the vehicle. Pull over put my hands up. I spend 15 minutes roleplaying with this dude, trying to apologize for going off-road and saying can I please go and it won’t happen again. Cop continues to tell me over and over that I went off-road so he was allowed to search the vehicle. Even before that he had checked the inventory when I was trying to role-play with him. Finding the mk1. Absolutely no interest in anything but searching my van. Even though I didn’t just hop out and dump a full mag into his hatch when he sirened me.

 

Server Events - Ive participated in a large amount of server events since ive been here, around ten from my memory. I actually only was able to enjoy one (along with the majority of the other players that attended the events feeling the same way) It seems that there’s a trend of the staff team which mostly seems to be made out of APD higher ups making the events to be fun for themselves or cop sided.

• Example. Nikolai events staff team had us setup looking towards the shore with the boat spawn thing and had told us that the APD would be coming from the same direction.  The second the event started all the players that had setup were promptly roached in the back from 600+ metres by APD which had setup in the opposite direction. Which angered a lot of people and resulting in quite a few quitting and retro raging and rpg the truck…lol
• Purge event, admins had spawned a a tank with very little balance, and this was coming from the one that was gunning the tank might I add. So I prob should be bias. I was given a tank however killing 20+ people with an admin driver, no civs were given any actual means of combating the tank, and were left to air support which weren’t able to take it out for 30 ish minutes, maybe spawn in some anti tank weapons. Also the loadout spawns did not work and the event was buggy in general. Admins also were letting friends keep kit and taking other peoples.

 

Fighting Cartels - Honestly this is the reason I came here, because I wanted to learn and this is the type of gameplay that my friend was able to sell me on. After fighting for two months and working through the steep learning curve, especially where I have to footpush solo 90 percent of the time has been difficult to say the least. Mostly because of the way the player base behaves in general around these events.

• Rebels - Rebels are almost always getting camped the ones close to free fire island area specifically. When fights start players will almost always be camping one or both rebels, with the sole purpose of pissing people off and blowing up vehicles etc. It destroys fights and people dont want to play when some Chinese kid is just gonna wait in the bi-box till you pull a heli or frit and then hop out of his vietcong tunnel and blow you up. (The smart thing to do would be to add a safe zone rebel in the area like there is for gangboat/fort for this exact reason I just described. )
• Gangboat/Gangfort, honestly both these events are pointless because of the way they are setup with current large gangs logging on well before the event starts, and setting up/digging into all the best positions making it extremely difficult for other gangs to push. Ive seen quite a few of these events over in 10 to 20 minutes for this exact reason.
• Crimson - I do believe that admins should have the right to play just like anyone else, But for a gang that has so many admins it feels like theirs very little oversight in exactly what they do/the way the behave/treat other players in general. Ive constantly seen crimson players putting down newer players on the server trying to fight cartels including myself, all whilst being extremely toxic and pushing with 4x or sometimes more the numbers. Crimson at this point for how large it is, and how much staff are in the gang should be acting to help the server and help balance things ive seen nothing of this, Other then the we switch between cop to help numbers things. They will not accept or trial new players and trash the ones trying to learn. The staff members in this gang should be promoting them to be friendly with new players, help them out and help them learn rather than making things an uphill battle at every step. There is also little to no oversight when it comes to numbers in a event, maybe with that many admins someone should go "hey can we have some people do runs or something else so the other gangs can have a fair fight at the fort today?"

Development - the development here is rather sad the reason for this is nothing to do with the development team however, no money to my knowledge goes to development. That’s a huge issue, to keep a large community like this growing and healthy you need to invest in it. Since ive been here I haven’t seen anyway funds go back into the server other than for the basic costs like teamspeak the server itself etc.  the fact that someone or a group of people are collecting all these funds are retarded. Especially when people like @ebola are spending 120+ usd a month alone.  It also seems like the requests of the community are largely ignored in favour of a select few.

 

 

 

Edited April 4 by Despair

[Batcan]

Money making is horrible tbh. Gang fort/boat is not meant for newer players they won't have a chance, you need the numbers to do it and if you dont have the numbers and skilled players you will lose. A good amount of the APD roleplays, but a lot of them are looking for a paycheck because they aren't cut out for profiting on civ. I'd imagine it is impossible for new players to deal with APD ifrits especially when they sling them and patrol. APD is balanced around the old players and the people who are in gangs with admins that have infinite money. They need to change something to make it playable for the little guys. ATP there aren't multiple big gangs that spend time fighting each other so the smaller gangs get shit on. 

Edited April 5 by Batcan

[Silver-Spy]

First off no your post raise some actual good points. 
 

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Crimson - I do believe that admins should have the right to play just like anyone else, But for a gang that has so many admins it feels like theirs very little oversight in exactly what they do/the way the behave/treat other players in general.

When i was a moderator we had admins spawning crates for themselves and giving out RPGs to gang mates or even storing RPGs/explosives in their houses. But nowadays i think its way strict. If any admins now pull that shit they will be removed its quite easy to see the logs. 
Regarding toxicity well its there in every gang. Its a little side chat banter. I know that your new but you will get use to it. Its been a part of Asylum. 
 

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Rebels - Rebels are almost always getting camped the ones close to free fire island

As EU guy we face this issue alot because the Chinese gang EV5 loves to camp rebels. But there isnt anything you can do about it. Rebel is suppose to be a hot territory. It was even worse when we had fewer rebels back in the day.
 

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It seems that there’s a trend of the staff team which mostly seems to be made out of APD higher ups making the events to be fun for themselves or cop sided.

Almost all admin events are civ sided. Cops get nothing from it. Imagine being a cop and the purge event is started and civs are given free loadouts. 


Regarding money grind. We all feel the pain. I think money making should be easier or quicker. It was discussed in the last community meeting and im sure they are already working on something.

 

[Ruffian]

18 hours ago, Despair said:

Prob gonna get roasted and made fun of for this,

• Crimson - I do believe that admins should have the right to play just like anyone else, But for a gang that has so many admins it feels like theirs very little oversight in exactly what they do/the way the behave/treat other players in general. Ive constantly seen crimson players putting down newer players on the server trying to fight cartels including myself, all whilst being extremely toxic and pushing with 4x or sometimes more the numbers. Crimson at this point for how large it is, and how much staff are in the gang should be acting to help the server and help balance things ive seen nothing of this, Other then the we switch between cop to help numbers things. They will not accept or trial new players and trash the ones trying to learn. The staff members in this gang should be promoting them to be friendly with new players, help them out and help them learn rather than making things an uphill battle at every step. There is also little to no oversight when it comes to numbers in a event, maybe with that many admins someone should go "hey can we have some people do runs or something else so the other gangs can have a fair fight at the fort today?"

 

 

 

 

Yeah, you're retarded. We literally actively recruit the most new players and do our best to """"train""" them and show them how the game is played. I.e. @Beardogour 59 year old recent hire, and even myself. I may have an older forum acct from 2019, but I've never seriously played Asylum until around a year ago. @Junkeand @shawnshowed me how to play, brought me to my first dom game, etc. I was a total no combat-stance bot until they helped me. (my first invite was by @Chris PeacockSHOUTOUT!!!!)

I don't appreciate how you are (if you even are a new player) shamelessly regurgitating some nonsense you've heard from other players who simply don't like our gang. It's like when you watch a youtube video of some youtuber's girlfriend accusing them of something, "I felt dirty... in a way I couldn't wash off." I just wonder what book you read this from because it's just garbage. 

The staff members in the Crimson gang, as far as I have seen, will give money to new players/cop players if they are crushing them on civ and will do a lot of "on the spot" gifts and tutorials when we find them in the open. Notable admins who do this are @Ken@DarkKnight@Hubschrauberand many others. We have dead-ass stopped fighting just to help some poor guy in Air Shop once.

 

Your slander against a group of people who try their hardest to make this community an active and fun place to spend some virtual time is sad. Stop being a puppet for whatever Discord server you heard this crap in and grow a spine. (P.S. The staff members who day after day will take hours out of their personal time to help YOU and other new players are volunteers, it's pathetic to group them up into some big evil "admin gang" and paint them as the harbinger of all of our issues. If you want to point fingers, do it at the server management who have run this server into the ground, not the people trying to keep the community afloat.)

Edited April 5 by Ruffian

[.Max]

18 hours ago, Despair said:

Example im driving a van full of moonshine to Wongs, cop sirens me, I have no bounty, so I go ill role-play with this guy. Super friendly put my gun and wannot in the vehicle. Pull over put my hands up. I spend 15 minutes roleplaying with this dude, trying to apologize for going off-road and saying can I please go and it won’t happen again. Cop continues to tell me over and over that I went off-road so he was allowed to search the vehicle. Even before that he had checked the inventory when I was trying to role-play with him. Finding the mk1. Absolutely no interest in anything but searching my van. Even though I didn’t just hop out and dump a full mag into his hatch when he sirened me.

whoever did this is weird and I get ur concern here this is extremely homosexual activity

18 hours ago, Despair said:

Crimson - I do believe that admins should have the right to play just like anyone else, But for a gang that has so many admins it feels like theirs very little oversight in exactly what they do/the way the behave/treat other players in general. Ive constantly seen crimson players putting down newer players on the server trying to fight cartels including myself, all whilst being extremely toxic and pushing with 4x or sometimes more the numbers. Crimson at this point for how large it is, and how much staff are in the gang should be acting to help the server and help balance things ive seen nothing of this, Other then the we switch between cop to help numbers things. They will not accept or trial new players and trash the ones trying to learn. The staff members in this gang should be promoting them to be friendly with new players, help them out and help them learn rather than making things an uphill battle at every step. There is also little to no oversight when it comes to numbers in a event, maybe with that many admins someone should go "hey can we have some people do runs or something else so the other gangs can have a fair fight at the fort today?"

this just isnt true I can think of so many times we stop and help people. maybe if u try to ask for help someone would help u. there are also plenty of gangs to join, the whole point of the game is to start off small and then make friends along the way and join a group u enjoy which u can most definitely do.

Edited April 5 by .Max

[Chris Peacock]

18 hours ago, Despair said:

Example im driving a van full of moonshine to Wongs, cop sirens me, I have no bounty, so I go ill role-play with this guy. Super friendly put my gun and wannot in the vehicle. Pull over put my hands up. I spend 15 minutes roleplaying with this dude, trying to apologize for going off-road and saying can I please go and it won’t happen again. Cop continues to tell me over and over that I went off-road so he was allowed to search the vehicle. Even before that he had checked the inventory when I was trying to role-play with him. Finding the mk1. Absolutely no interest in anything but searching my van. Even though I didn’t just hop out and dump a full mag into his hatch when he sirened me.

Cops are not allowed to search your truck if u give a roleplay reason as to why you are offroading. You can report this and get comp

1 hour ago, Ruffian said:

my first invite was by @Chris PeacockSHOUTOUT!!!!)

❤️

[王 rando 王]

52 minutes ago, Chris Peacock said:

Cops are not allowed to search your truck if u give a roleplay reason as to why you are offroading. You can report this and get comp

There’s no animation or message or anything when searching a vehicle. A cop would be much more motivated to get probable cause when they pre-search every sus vehicle. In a situation like that I bet 90% of the cops would silently search and then makeup a reason to legitimately search the vehicle after. That’s because they’re a vermin and should be forced to starve to death on those sticky traps like the rats they are.

[Chris Peacock]

3 hours ago, 王 rando 王 said:

There’s no animation or message or anything when searching a vehicle. A cop would be much more motivated to get probable cause when they pre-search every sus vehicle. In a situation like that I bet 90% of the cops would silently search and then makeup a reason to legitimately search the vehicle after. That’s because they’re a vermin and should be forced to starve to death on those sticky traps like the rats they are.

well there isnt always a reason to search. Even if the cops know there is something illegal they cant just make up probable cause

[ł S4M ł]

If you roleplay as a cop you get blacklisted for corruption, you have to fight fight fight always, your gun is your primary weapon now unfortunately.  

Even if you're the only cop online and all 20 players on the server are fighting in Sofia you're expected to down and restrain them or leave the area and sit in a car in Athira waiting to be RDM'd.

Respectfully.

Edited April 5 by ł S4M ł

[Oskarr]

Server needs a wipe or to remove alot of money and houses from players make dom money only usable on dom 

group cap would be great to make more gangs and not have 1 mass gang with every shootable player in it

moneycap would be great and would actually make people have to do runs so the server feels alive would also make cartels worth something

cops needs limiting when it comes to pulling armor shouldnt be allowed to pull their own ifrit should have to have 1 or more in there with them, main server should not be played as dom

Also think there is way to many different drugs to be made and how everything is based around athira (below pyrgos is completely unused)

Ifrits needs to be expensive so less are pulled and more are stacked (only gonna matter if money gets removed) again main server should not be played as dom and shedding should not be allowed to make sure ur ifrit is somewhat savable and not able to be blown up in less than 2 min from losing it

New players also need to understand that drugs are high risk and even higher with large trucks and should not be ran alone unless ur doing small runs

just my opinion and i know most of u guys are not gonna agree

[ł S4M ł]

Why don't they limit ifrit pulling, you can't pull a second ifrit if yours is still out? you're forced to fight for yours back, admins/captins can't mass pull? china have a limit of 12 ifrits?

[Despair]

3 hours ago, Oskarr said:

Server needs a wipe or to remove alot of money and houses from players make dom money only usable on dom 

group cap would be great to make more gangs and not have 1 mass gang with every shootable player in it

moneycap would be great and would actually make people have to do runs so the server feels alive would also make cartels worth something

cops needs limiting when it comes to pulling armor shouldnt be allowed to pull their own ifrit should have to have 1 or more in there with them, main server should not be played as dom

Also think there is way to many different drugs to be made and how everything is based around athira (below pyrgos is completely unused)

Ifrits needs to be expensive so less are pulled and more are stacked (only gonna matter if money gets removed) again main server should not be played as dom and shedding should not be allowed to make sure ur ifrit is somewhat savable and not able to be blown up in less than 2 min from losing it

New players also need to understand that drugs are high risk and even higher with large trucks and should not be ran alone unless ur doing small runs

just my opinion and i know most of u guys are not gonna agree

definitely agree with you, my point is that most new players will attempt the larger trucks most of the time. And then end up quitting once they see how hard the money grind is

[Despair]

3 hours ago, ł S4M ł said:

Why don't they limit ifrit pulling, you can't pull a second ifrit if yours is still out? you're forced to fight for yours back, admins/captins can't mass pull? china have a limit of 12 ifrits?

not a terrible idea but I feel like this would be poorly received 

[sealooter]

we tried testing a wipe over a year ago, it didn't get good feedback if i remember correctly. i had a blast during it though, it was sweet seeing all of the players doing wreck excavating, mining... stuff like that. not constantly fighting cartels for their passive money or just going straight to meth in hemmets.

[Hubschrauber]

On 4/4/2024 at 2:31 AM, Despair said:

 

• Crimson - I do believe that admins should have the right to play just like anyone else, But for a gang that has so many admins it feels like theirs very little oversight in exactly what they do/the way the behave/treat other players in general. Ive constantly seen crimson players putting down newer players on the server trying to fight cartels including myself, all whilst being extremely toxic and pushing with 4x or sometimes more the numbers. Crimson at this point for how large it is, and how much staff are in the gang should be acting to help the server and help balance things ive seen nothing of this, Other then the we switch between cop to help numbers things. They will not accept or trial new players and trash the ones trying to learn. The staff members in this gang should be promoting them to be friendly with new players, help them out and help them learn rather than making things an uphill battle at every step. There is also little to no oversight when it comes to numbers in a event, maybe with that many admins someone should go "hey can we have some people do runs or something else so the other gangs can have a fair fight at the fort today?"

 

 

First off, thanks for sharing your experiences thus far. I think you'll be happy to learn that some of them are already being addressed and changed in the very next upcoming patch. Stay tuned! Secondly, not trying to flame you here; however, I have to set the record straight on this since you called out Crimson in particular.

"For a gang that has so many admins in it"
There are only two active admins in Crimson, myself and Nathan. Darkkknight is also there but he doesn't really fight with us, he plays cop. In addition to that, Nathan rarely plays on the main server outside Gang Fort/Gang Boat/Domination. Hell, even I don't play that much with Crimson. That's the reality behind "for a gang with so many admins" angle. I hope this helps set the record straight. 

"all whilst being extremely toxic"
You are correct in the regards to there being some very toxic people in Crimson who in particular love talking shit on side chat. None of those people are admins. Also, I'm not able or willing to control their speech (or anyones speech) on sidechat as long as they don't start dropping N bombs and don't elevate things to the level of harassment. Even if I tried to, they would rightfully tell me to kick rocks.

Listen, I get it. All global chats on video games always boil down to a vehicle used to shit talk everyone in any game ever. This can get pretty discouraging, especially when you are losing and they are shit talking. However, if we tried to police the shit talking on side chat then this would quickly turn into a PC enviornment which would be even more repulsive to players than the rampant shit talking that is currently taking place. It's the old addage of "Just because there is a problem doesn't mean that the solution is worse".  

"in exactly what they do/the way the behave/treat other players in general" 
I spend almost 50% of my time when I am on civ TPing around to players on the map seeing what they are up to. If I find a group of newish players, I RP with them, give them a little cash, and teach them the ropes. I've done that to many multiples of groups of players this week alone. Just because your experience with some of us at cartels was negative doesn't mean that everyone in the gang is toxic, you know? 

I won't address each and every point, because then that would turn this reply into something almost as long as your original post. However, I must throw my hat into the ring here and say that you missed the mark on a majority of what you mentioned specifically in this section. I have a hypothesis as to why you may think these things though. I'll include that in the paragraph below this one. You are 100% correct about the toxicity from a few players in the gang though. Either way, I enjoyed reading your thoughts on the rest of your post. I look foward to what you think about most of these things after this next patch. 

Here is my hypothesis on your assumption on Crimson. I have seen you solo push us on cartels multiple times (as you have mentioned) and died rather quickly. Not because you are or are not a good or bad player, but because on many of these caps it's easy to see people approaching and a single fighter solo pushing without armor is rather limited in what they can do against a group of moderately skilled players with armor. When you were killed, you might have been mocked for being ineffective. I honestly do not remember if you were or were not derided, I just remember you solo pushing multiple times. I think you've taken that annoying experience and coupled it with the shit talking you've seen on side chat. Then, I believe you've further added the fact that Crimson has admins in it and came to the assumption that all the admins/players in it are basically just douche bags and are forming a toxic echelon to ruin all new player's experience and the overall game in general. The only grain of truth to my hypothesis on your take is that Crimson certainly does have some toxic players in it. A very, very vocal minority. Is that the way I prefer to play the game? No. However, I won't ask someone to stop playing the game the way that they want to play it simply because they talk shit in side chat. The alternative of policing side chat is far worse than its current state and only if those exchanges get elevated to a apoint of harassment can the admin team step in.   

[Bherky]

1 hour ago, Hubschrauber said:

A very, very vocal minority.

@Chris Peacock

[Chris Peacock]

16 minutes ago, Bherky said:

@Chris Peacock

Shut up nigga

I used to be the gang therapist too

@Ruffianknows im not toxic i just give it to people straight and a lot of them can’t handle it

[Ruffian]

1 minute ago, Chris Peacock said:

Shut up nigga

I used to be the gang therapist too

@Ruffianknows im not toxic i just give it to people straight and a lot of them can’t handle it

Yeah, Chris just calls it when he sees it. No glazing or anything but he's the realest En-Eye-Gee-Gee-Ay in this whole crib. If your skin is so paper-thin that you take harmless sidechat banter or internet comments seriously then you need to get off the internet. I read this post and it gave me ten cases of deja vu. Just a constant stream of buzzwords and generalizations, "toxic", "admin gang", etc, etc. It's nothing I haven't read in the side chat or spewed by the yapper of some other """fighting""" gang.

[Michael L]

On 4/4/2024 at 8:31 AM, Despair said:

 

Some good points and observations in here but, no mind, certain people will just come in here and shit on it and troll. And then they will sit in their hidden TS channels with it being a mystery why battlemetrics looks like this on a Friday evening

[Donk]

3 hours ago, Michael L said:

Some good points and observations in here but, no mind, certain people will just come in here and shit on it and troll. And then they will sit in their hidden TS channels with it being a mystery why battlemetrics looks like this on a Friday evening

My boy always coming in with the hard facts

[王 rando 王]

4 hours ago, Michael L said:

Some good points and observations in here but, no mind, certain people will just come in here and shit on it and troll. And then they will sit in their hidden TS channels with it being a mystery why battlemetrics looks like this on a Friday evening

how can their egos be fed without feeling special with a hidden teamspeak channel though.