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7 hours ago, eragoon78 said:
Question regarding the "Attempted Bank Robbery" charge. I have been told contradicting information if the suspect needs to be in the area of a fed/bank or if they can be anywhere as long as they have the materials for the robbery on them. According to the guide book
it does not specify that they need to be AT the bank/fed, but I do remember being told or reading something else.
The suspect must be in the vicinity of the Bank or Federal Reserve.
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On 2/18/2019 at 7:34 PM, Russell* said:
Awesome news perhaps this should be a rule? And what about if cops are shooting downing/killing civ's when server is dying?
Hopefully, the devs will figure out what is causing the problem and no policy update will be required. As for shooting and down civilians, again you may be taking advantage of the fact that the server is lagging. Downing would useless because you would restrain and I have already gone over that.
The use of lethal force is justified when:
- Ordered by the highest ranking officer involved on scene that is Sergeant or higher.
- If only Corporals or Constables are on scene, then they must seek permission to go lethal from the highest ranking SGT+ who is on the server.
- If there are no SGT+ on the server, then the Constables and Corporals on scene must take a unanimous vote to go lethal.
- If there is 1 minute remaining until server restart and there is not enough time to transfer the suspect to the nearest HQ or Prison.
- To kill the gunner of a .50 cal offroad, armed Jeep, and armed Qilin.
- To kill gunners that are on the benches of a Hummingbird Helicopter or in the back of an Offroad/Prowler/Quilin if the gunners are actively firing on officers.
- To kill a suspect that is in an unreachable location such as the roof of a house with no ladders.
Simply because the server is lagging is not a reason to lethal civilians.
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8 hours ago, Russell* said:
Question:? When server is de-syncing is it ok to cuff the suspect's i.e. or down and wait for them while they re-log?
Complaint was from Civilians was "A: Cop came over restrain us during firefight when de-sync."
I can see there view since they can't fight back, again thanks for feedback.
If you were to go up to a civilian during lag and restrain them, it would not restrain them at their current location. IF the server catches up they will be restrained at a different location. Due to this, you would be restraining someone across the map. For this reason, it is not a good idea to do this.
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Just now, Crossfade said:
question about that, back in the day the captains didn't care if we had cops sitting in the fed because and they would say its ours, same for the bank. although scummy as fuck they didn't really care. maybe the current captains could put their two sense on this?
Just now, Samperino said:As bbgreg17 mentioned, you are fully allowed to defend these areas if you feel there may be an imminent attack.
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10 hours ago, Russell* said:
Redirection of post lol "Question if a under cover officer can patrol the fed for how long?" Seen some other cops just camp inside the fed is this allowed if RP'ed? @Patato
There is no written rule in the guidebook disallowing this. Keep in mind the cause for recent changes to both rebel outposts and Therisa. In both cases, officers abused their ability to go to these locations and forced the Captains to release Policy Updates. While patrolling the Federal Reserve you should keep in mind that abuse and camping the area may see the removal of our ability to patrol there.
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3 hours ago, Leonheartzed said:
1 ) What happens if we find a vehicle in the drug field filled with drugs and the owner is nowhere to be found and the vehicle is Not stolen?we cant sieze it correct?
2)what would happen if we Bust a guy afk in the drug field we start processing him like he surrendered to the police ?
3) what if a *stolen*(kind of excuse) Vehicle is found in a drug field driven not by the owner and the guy evades?Do we sieze the *stolen* vehicle?
1. You must seize the illegal items from the trunk of the vehicle. The vehicle itself should not be seized as the owner was not aggressive or evasive.
2. Again the suspect was not aggressive or evasive and as such, should be rewarded.
3. As we discussed in TeamSpeak, seizing a vehicle should be used as a form of punishment when a suspect is aggressive or evasive. In this case, the suspect is not the owner, and the owner was not on scene, as such you would be punishing someone who is not aggressive or evasive.
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On 2/5/2019 at 3:35 PM, Dick Romney said:
Okay, fair enough. Just wanted to know if that'd be an acceptable scenario to go into Therisa.
A vehicle with a tracker on it is not a reason to go to Therisa.
- 911 ping
- Warrant tracking
- APB tracking
- Parole violator
- Active pursuit
Are the only valid reasons to go to Therisa.
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On 2/5/2019 at 0:47 PM, Reformed epTic said:
Will this be a minimum of 1k away as well? Shits already kind of suspect flying over that part of the map due to how close the red zones can be together at times. Even flying along the MSR puts you within 1k of Coke/Heroin fields and I usually flew near donor when heading to/from Kavala in a heli as it's usually the safest bet to stay away from those red zones
Therisa is not an illegal area, but you must have one of the following reasons to go there.
- 911 ping
- Warrant tracking
- APB tracking
- Parole violator
- Active pursuit
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Just now, Dick Romney said:
Okay, maybe my question was framed weird. I am wondering if that knowing someone was in an illegal area, through the tracker, would be an acceptable in going there now, not for probable cause. I know its not listed, but I wouldn't see why.
Non-Undercover officers are allowed to return to illegal areas before the 20 minute timer is up if they see or hear:
- 911 dispatch or phone calls from within the area
- A Parole breaker, a Fugitive ping or a Medic request within the area
- Vehicles with trackers on them enter the area
- Nearby traffic enter the area
- Active pursuit into the area
- To update a warrant
If you are asking if knowing the vehicle was there 5 minutes ago, but with 5 minutes still remaining on the 20 minute mark allows you to enter the illegal area, no.
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3 hours ago, Dick Romney said:
Okay, this has actually happened before. I put a tracker on a box truck one time. I expected it to do some things. However, a bank popped up. I had to go fight a bank for a good 20 minutes and saw that the box truck was on heroin processer. The fugitive then headed towards donor while the bank was going on. I did not follow the van and decided to not take action as I had little time to do so (15 minutes or so left til restart if I remember correctly). But, If an officer saw something similar to what I saw, wasn’t in a bank/fed or prison, and a considerable distance away from the area, what would be the best course of action?
I think I understand your question.
Probable Cause IS:
- Seeing a person(s) or vehicle(s) in an Illegal Area.
- Seeing a civilian that is on the wanted list (With a bounty of $2,500 or more).
- Someone with Grand Theft, Attempted Auto theft charges
- Individual(s) having illegal weapons/vehicles.
- Suspect(s) evading arrest.
- Witnessing a civilian self-incriminate (they admit to possessing contraband, committing a crime etc.)
- Seeing an RV emitting Smoke
- Seeing a person purposely offroad and attempt to drive around manned APD checkpoints. (Doing an 180 turn to avoid a checkpoint is not probable cause.)
- Someone currently in the process of committing a Grand Theft or has committed a Grand Theft but has no charges.
- Someone spotted by the federal reserve cameras
Seeing a vehicle tracker in an illegal area is not listed as granting you probable cause. There will, unfortunately, be times when you know a civilian is breaking the law but you will not be able to prove it. In this situation, the best way to handle it would be to perform a traffic stop and question the suspect. You never know, he may evade or self-incriminate and grant you probable cause!
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2 hours ago, Jack7296 said:
If you are driving in the area of Donor town (Not within the town) and you see an RV Emitting smoke from inside the town, what does an officer do?
As you are unable to produce crank near a town I believe this is a non-issue.
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6 hours ago, andy7255 said:
How will the new thersia rules affect cop helicopters? Will this mean helis can no longer pass over Therisa?
"police are no longer able to patrol this area without probable cause" This means either ground or air patrol until otherwise stated by a Captain.
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12 minutes ago, Crossfade said:
Fed/Bank/Prison Responding
All officers are required to respond to the Fed, Bank, or Prison until either the security is elevated or the prison break has been quelled.
If there is excessive fighting going on at either of these locations, a Sergeant+ can call off the officers if they feel it is necessary.
what if there is no sgt on and a gang is camping and shitting on people? are supposed to not value our lives and die or sit back and waste everyones time? because hell no am i throwing 7k loadouts at people spamming x with a 7.62 and i got a 6.5@Codie Alterman @Samperino
The policy has been updated. It now says "Officers must attempt to fight for at least 10 minutes from when the Federal Reserve or Prison of Altis is first being broken into."
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Just now, Wop said:
Are we required to siren or initiate some how at FED and or Bank robbery if not undercover and not initiated yet? Or can we just set up and shoot if its active?
Any active Federal Reserve Robbery, Bank Robbery or Prison Break does not require initiation.
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3 hours ago, Dick Romney said:
Say you were driving around on the MSR next to the main airfield, when suddenly, a plane lands on the highway. You siren, it pulls over without evading. What would be the acceptable course of action? (Probable cause or not?)
The plane has not landed at a designated landing strip, therefore you have probable cause. They have also technically violated the 300-meter flight restriction, though this does not grant you probable cause.
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6 hours ago, danile666 said:
As a Whitelisted Officer, I am fully aware of what the guidebook states. Which is why I am posting here since it is against the guidebook. I am not trying to debate anything or report a player.
I am simply trying to get some clarification on how myself and other APD officers who have not been using this process can use it going forward. This is one of those things where so many people feel so many different ways that it needs to be addressed directly.
I feel like right now we are going around in circles. If you wish to further discuss this please contact me in TeamSpeak and I would be happy to do so.
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1 hour ago, danile666 said:
Right that is what the guidebook says. It also states the civ shouldn't feel rushed.
I'm not trying to report someone. I am trying to get clarification on how the rest of us can utilize this tool.
I've now had higher ups at all levels give conflicting information on this matter so I'm confused. I just want the whole APD to benefit from this knowledge and clarification.
So can we stop someone's rp because we feel they are stalling for an attack or because we feel they are wasting our time?
If so what would the actual procedure be?
Every situation is handled individually. A civilian does not have the right to waste 45 minutes of an officer's life by restarting their story/delaying simply to allow their friends to continually attack the HQ and attempt to free them. That does not mean, however, that an officer has the right to issue a full ticket immediately when an HQ is attacked. This is, unfortunately, not a situation where I can give you a copy and paste solution. As a whitelisted officer, you will come across gray areas, we expect you to do your best when navigating them. As I already said, if you feel your rights as a civilian have been violated please report the officer in question.
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20 minutes ago, danile666 said:
So there have been incidents APD officers cutting off RP and full ticketing because "They are clearly stalling for their friends to attack hq". or the civ is just wasting the officers time.
I cannot find this policy in the guidebook anywhere that allows for this.
So can someone clarify how the rest of the APD can use this procedure? Would simplify banks, feds, and all sort of things for the APD as a whole if we were all on the same page on this one.All civilians should be given sufficient time to roleplay their charges. If an officer is not allowing an individual to explain their charges please submit an IA here without an edited video. Each report is handled individually by the reviewing Lieutenant. It will be at their discretion if sufficient roleplay was given.
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5 hours ago, Russell* said:
Heard if no one RP's with you within 5 min you can log out?
19 minutes ago, Crossfade said:its 10min.
While this is correct please leave answering the question to Lieutenants +.
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2 hours ago, Grant Montalto said:
If you are kidnapped in someones house and get unrestrained. Can you use flashbangs to blow yourself out? I keep getting restrained and left then after 10 minutes they fall off. I am then trapped inside of their house and cannot get out until they come back in and try to down me again.
Flashbangs are only to be used when a suspect is inside a locked house and actively shooting out. Additionally, it takes roughly 20 flashbangs to blow up a house. Most officers do not carry that many on them.
If you are stranded you have the ability to soft log. Do be careful when doing this, however, as you do not want to combat log. If you are restrained and no one roleplays with you for 10 minutes you are able to log off.
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APD FAQ/Grey Area
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Non-Undercover officers are allowed to return to illegal areas before the 20 minute timer is up if they see or hear:
Mostly I will be addressing fugitive pings.
If you are wanted you can create a fugitive ping simply by standing still. There is a talent that officers can learn which has a chance for a fugitive to ping if they are surrounded by other people (can't remember exact number I think it is 5 or 6). Notice I say, people, not just civilians. Both medics and officers add into this count.
If a fugitive pings outside an illegal area, officers are allowed to investigate the ping. While investigating the ping they could spot one of your lookouts (in a helo or something) which could allow them to investigate further. Every situation is different and we trust our officers to use their best judgment in creating a fair and fun experience for those involved.
Whenever someone interacts with any drug dealer all officers on duty (with the proper talents) will receive a ping. All other fugitive pings officers must be within ~4km to receive the ping.
It does happen that officers will restrain someone and accidentally forget them and leave them behind. In this case, life goes on. Officers should not down and restrain a suspect, seize contraband and then deliberately leave a restrained civilian behind. They should either process the individual or take them back to HQ for processing.
Officers are expected to be respectful and professional towards all others while on duty. If an officer is found to have behaved in a manner which reflects negatively on themselves or the APD disciplinary action may be taken against them. If it is via texts please submit a report here as we, as Lieutenants+, have no way of knowing how the officer is behaving otherwise.
If I have missed anything or you have additional questions feel free to post again!