Yuki Hayami Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Master27411 said: In my opinion I think the hunter and strider are fine for swat. I don't think most officers know how to push with armor. Most dont. I have an idea how to but still get ripped out. Link to comment
Leady Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ethan Darrell said: So much for being able to be penetrated by a 50 cal... Myself, Mitch, and Rogue all were able to be hit by 7.62 while in the drivers seat being fired at the glass. I'm not sure if the Asylum server has a different armor value but def worth looking into. Yuki Hayami and 王 Ari Petrou 王 like this Link to comment
Master27411 Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Yuki Hayami said: Most dont. I have an idea how to but still get ripped out. I mean this is kinda off topic but they don’t teach you to protect your glass in swat training. If they teach officers at each event they will have a better chance at getting close to succeeding Edited December 30, 2020 by Master27411 Yuki Hayami and Blake. like this Link to comment
Niklaus Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) tbh the amount of armor we have now is fair. I think an APC would more or less give cops a free 10 man push and most rebel groups don't put enough people on first floor to counter that amount of people. The other thing is the limitation of captain+ would make it rarely used and for that reason I think it's too powerful and too much of a luck thing for rebels. You'd have to hope a captain doesn't log on and drop a fuckload of cops on drill right away. Also from reading the points other people wrote this honestly wouldn't do much to help cops in the first place. most rebels could probably kill the driver and 2 or 3 wheels before the thing reaches construction Edited December 30, 2020 by Niklaus Abu and Yuki Hayami like this Link to comment
王 Bobby Leel 王 Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Maric said: Didn't last long against Farmersville FarmersVille ON TOP 3 hours ago, MysticLion said: seems fair enough, considering how little see the capt on wouldn't be all that common anyways plus it's not that hard to counter it 王 Ari Petrou 王 likes this Link to comment
王 Bobby Leel 王 Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Niklaus said: tbh the amount of armor we have now is fair. I think an APC would more or less give cops a free 10 man push and most rebel groups don't put enough people on first floor to counter that amount of people. The other thing is the limitation of captain+ would make it rarely used and for that reason I think it's too powerful and too much of a luck thing for rebels. You'd have to hope a captain doesn't log on and drop a fuckload of cops on drill right away. Also from reading the points other people wrote this honestly wouldn't do much to help cops in the first place. most rebels could probably kill the driver and 2 or 3 wheels before the thing reaches construction FarmersVille will kill the cops b4 they can even get in it.... FSE ON TOP! (VDM is also a very useful strategy, but is not recommended) Link to comment
Master27411 Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 I can say from fighting against this thing for a couple fights it’s gonna be fun! It is a transport vehicle for the most part and gets the cops to the bank and it creates for some fun CQC Ryan., Yuki Hayami, Psycosis and 1 other like this Link to comment
Ryan. Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) Fought against it at a Prison and Pyrgos Bank, the vehicle isn't as big and scary as everyone thinks it is and it does what its meant to do by getting the cops to the event it does a good job. That being said once the vehicle gets there it turns into a slaughter it doesn't make the cops invulnerable it just adds a new aspect that we don't have right now and its pretty cool. That being said it took 1 rocket to blow the vehicles up and whilst backing up into the prison we ripped 3 out from the glass on the back sides the only thing that people wont like is the driver which can also still be shot out, while driving around the bank I shot Leady who was driving and he was down to about 1 shot, hard not impossible overall would be a good addition for something we don't have right now Edited December 30, 2020 by Ryan. Big Gay Jay, Yuki Hayami, matthew666 and 4 others like this Link to comment
Psycosis Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) Had the pleasure of fighting the Madrid tonight. (Yay for testing) Its super easy to deal with for the following reasons; 1. Tires stupid easy to shoot / damage. 2. Back window lets you kill everyone being transported in the Madrid. 3. A hunter or Ifrit can easily flip it over. After fighting it at a bank and a prison I vote give it to the APD. Not like the captains / swat are actually going to use it. Edited December 30, 2020 by Psycosis Yuki Hayami, matthew666, Master27411 and 3 others like this Link to comment
Big Gay Jay Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) Aight after a few hours of seeing this dogshit vehicle in action, my opinion on it is pretty simple. - Very slow and sluggish - Driver is invincible ( rule can be made about being disabled driver has to get out, keep in mind only captains can pull it) - Very 1 dimensional for federal events, not very mobile once it gets close quarters, 8/10 people drop out in one spot and can easily be camped / prefired. - Wheels were being disabled in less than mag or two - All in all I think it's a cool idea unfortunate arma doesn't have more vehicles to choose from. - Give it a chance, worst case scenario they remove it, the only way you can tell if its going to be a bad idea is putting it in and giving it real playtime testing. None of this dev server testing or hidden testing with only admins, Get real rebels real normal civs and cops fighting these events they will be at and play test it. Policies will need to be put into place forsure about usages of it but +1 @Mitch (IFRIT) @Leady @Mason @RoguePilot @DarkKnight@Rafael. Edited December 30, 2020 by Jayshawn Yuki Hayami, IFRIT MITCH LOVES ME, DarkKnight and 7 others like this Link to comment
Blake. Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Did some live testing with some admins, I played the cop side against the rebels the rebels we fought played against it really well, Shooting the people out of the back Flipping the truck and shooting the tires out. Really balanced and Fun! Big Gay Jay, Copa, Psycosis and 3 others like this Link to comment
Sheriff Rick Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 If it makes federal events harder, then you're really just screwing newer players and increasing the skill gap, and the skill gap for new players is the biggest problem with Asylum. Idk if it's the greatest idea to cater game balance around a few select gangs of spergs who spam bank and prison Yuki Hayami, smellypig and 王 Bobby Leel 王 like this Link to comment
Kawaii Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Assuming it's balanced why should it be a Captain only thing? Do they not have enough exclusive toys to make them feel special? Add it to SWAT or give LT.s the ability to spawn it if it's added. Also should be able to be driven by civs and have the option to be destroyed so cops can't just full send it in Sheriff Rick, smellypig, danile666 and 2 others like this Link to comment
Joshhh Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 8 hours ago, Mitch (IFRIT) said: 50 cal also rips through the armor A vest, speed bomb So civs should now have to bring those things to do a federal event if there is a captain on? Abu likes this Link to comment
Ryan. Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 23 minutes ago, Joshhh said: So civs should now have to bring those things to do a federal event if there is a captain on? No but those are tools to take the vehicle out completely, you can just wait for them to drop and kill them all with 1 grenade or rip the tires out and render it useless. MysticLion and Yuki Hayami like this Link to comment
Joshhh Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 11 hours ago, Mitch (IFRIT) said: We are seeing issues with many officers not quite making it to the fight. Can some of the shitter gangs get them aswell? They really struggle to push much like the APD so I think they also need a helping hand. Good Lub, Space and Abu like this Link to comment
Good Lub Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 when are you making a thread telling officers to actually use their brains and not just zerg in and die?from my experience few SMART cops can easily win a bank no matter who is doing it Link to comment
uh oh retard Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 10 hours ago, 王 Foxx 王 said: FarmersVille will kill the cops b4 they can even get in it.... FSE ON TOP! (VDM is also a very useful strategy, but is not recommended) you don't kill the cops you kidnap us and torture us Yuki Hayami likes this Link to comment
•ÐŠ• Randy Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Everyone in here thats complaining about OP cops are the same people that have been spamming "shitters" to cops in the dispatch for years. 王 Bobby Leel 王, JamieH, MysticLion and 2 others like this Link to comment
Good Lub Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 if this is added then the next step should be this Yuki Hayami likes this Link to comment
uh oh retard Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Good Lub said: if this is added then the next step should be this you can smoke with the strider, no? Yuki Hayami likes this Link to comment
Bherky Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) I don't think it would be very useful, too slow, too inconvenient, too much controversy. Only thing I could see this being useful for is dropping people off at separate locations, but the speed limits you and hatchbacks work perfectly fine. As soon as the officers decamp, they will be sprayed down instantly. This vehicle would just be a cool show of force, but not practical in combat when it comes to slamming. Particularly in bank, if you slammed the front you would instantly be mowed down from unreachable or shit rock. Personally, rather than the madrid, we need something to combat the 1:20 minute smash and grabs. Too broken, cops can't respond unless the are AT the fed. Edited December 30, 2020 by Bherky .Max, Good Lub, Yuki Hayami and 2 others like this Link to comment
danile666 Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Bherky said: I don't think it would be very useful, too slow, too inconvenient, too much controversy. Only thing I could see this being useful for is dropping people off at separate locations, but the speed limits you and hatchbacks work perfectly fine. As soon as the officers decamp, they will be sprayed down instantly. This vehicle would just be a cool show of force, but not practical in combat when it comes to slamming. Particularly in bank, if you slammed the front you would instantly be mowed down from unreachable or shit rock. Personally, rather than the madrid, we need something to combat the 1:20 minute smash and grabs. Too broken, cops can't respond unless the are AT the fed. With a mix of smokes and not being dumb it is easy to deliver dudes to a spot on bank. We did have 3 dudes shot out on our first push last night as well. So it is not as crazy as people think. It is a tool, a fun tool, and it just changes the dynamics of some fights. Really no reason not to allow the APD to use it. No competent gang is going to let this really make all that much of a difference, but at least some of the cops get to feel like they actually made it to the fight instead of being ripped out of a hatch just after first ATM. Bherky likes this Link to comment
DankBud Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 If you can get shot out of it thru the glass,don't see much of a issue here with it being a thing for cops if only captains can pull it an only one at a time. The issue with cops not making it bank is,well,the cops,most times its them going in one at a time/only a couple in a hatch an them yelling at one another on how much this an that person sucks/shitter,if the cops could manage to not be at one anothers necks the whole fight im pretty confident that they could win more events.Shit some of them don't even try they just go an die once or twice an don't come back. There is maybe like 1-2 groups that work well on cop together. DS Wes likes this Link to comment
王 Bobby Leel 王 Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 4 hours ago, pigxd said: you don't kill the cops you kidnap us and torture us Welcome to Arma 3 Asylum, the entire server does that bud 4 hours ago, Good Lub said: if this is added then the next step should be this Who are you? 6 hours ago, Joshhh said: Can some of the shitter gangs get them aswell? They really struggle to push much like the APD so I think they also need a helping hand. what gangs are u even speaking about? Link to comment
uh oh retard Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, 王 Foxx 王 said: Welcome to Arma 3 Asylum, the entire server does that bud did ex bamboo union just say sum? enough with the jokes man!! Link to comment
Good Lub Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, 王 Foxx 王 said: Welcome to Arma 3 Asylum, the entire server does that bud Who are you? what gangs are u even speaking about? shut up paki Abu and Nenja like this Link to comment
Toxicc Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 18 hours ago, Master27411 said: In my opinion I think the hunter and strider are fine for swat. I don't think most officers know how to push with armor. Or push in general none of them have any idea what to do. TRYHARD, Good Lub and Romaniac like this Link to comment
TRYHARD Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 Crazy how people fighting cartels learned 4 years ago you cant just slam 10 people on cap at once and expect to win but here we are listening to how cops need exclusive vehicles to reach the bank hahahahhahaah John Lemmon, Mauv, Space and 6 others like this Link to comment
Sheriff Rick Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 I would also add that if it is added then civs should have the ability to use it if they steal it, otherwise cops are just going to go full retard with it and retard rush with no penalty. Link to comment
goyney Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 On 12/30/2020 at 4:21 AM, John Lemmon said: https://gyazo.com/3f8e5e9b438c17b7fa2df0f9e8a371a9 On 12/30/2020 at 4:30 AM, John Lemmon said: Decent when decamping too https://gyazo.com/69a2d2a84ff1dc63722b0d2b105cf61b Now this is content ahahhah John Lemmon likes this Link to comment
Steve Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 As Jay said it could use more practical testing on the live server with gangs organically doing the federal events with the cops using this. However I recommend some restrictions in place if it is implemented to limit how easily the police can use this. These limits should be followed and considered black and white to prevent bullshit problems that would otherwise come with this change. These are just ideas and I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on the matter. There should be a certain amount of rebels doing each event this is pulled for. I.e 10 rebels at the fed, 6 at the bank, 6 at the prison etc. I would argue that this should not be pulled at all for the evidence lockup as that is hard enough as is. On the way over to whatever federal event they are going to, the vehicle has to be completely full, that way the cops can't zerg with 5 cops in the madrid and 5+ other hunters/striders, unless they have the numbers to do so, meaning they have 10 in the madrid already and then other cops in armor. That situation would be quite rare I think. The rank of captain could be the only cop allowed to drive it under any circumstances regardless of the situation, if the captain gets shot out tough luck hopefully they have another captain inside the vehicle. Now, speaking about whether or not it is actually impenetrable by a .50 cal definitely needs to get looked at. @John Lemmon demonstrated that could prove to be problematic. I am for this change, however only under the circumstances that it's use by the cops and the circumstances it is used in are very carefully kept in check. I would also like to add that civilians should get the ability to steal it, if the cops are gonna use it then they should be prepared to deal with the chaos that comes with losing it for the remainder of that restart or until they get it back. Copa, Abu, Blake. and 3 others like this Link to comment
Blake. Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Steve said: As Jay said it could use more practical testing on the live server with gangs organically doing the federal events with the cops using this. However I recommend some restrictions in place if it is implemented to limit how easily the police can use this. These limits should be followed and considered black and white to prevent bullshit problems that would otherwise come with this change. These are just ideas and I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on the matter. There should be a certain amount of rebels doing each event this is pulled for. I.e 10 rebels at the fed, 6 at the bank, 6 at the prison etc. I would argue that this should not be pulled at all for the evidence lockup as that is hard enough as is. On the way over to whatever federal event they are going to, the vehicle has to be completely full, that way the cops can't zerg with 5 cops in the madrid and 5+ other hunters/striders, unless they have the numbers to do so, meaning they have 10 in the madrid already and then other cops in armor. That situation would be quite rare I think. The rank of captain could be the only cop allowed to drive it under any circumstances regardless of the situation, if the captain gets shot out tough luck hopefully they have another captain inside the vehicle. Now, speaking about whether or not it is actually impenetrable by a .50 cal definitely needs to get looked at. @John Lemmon demonstrated that could prove to be problematic. I am for this change, however only under the circumstances that it's use by the cops and the circumstances it is used in are very carefully kept in check. I would also like to add that civilians should get the ability to steal it, if the cops are gonna use it then they should be prepared to deal with the chaos that comes with losing it for the remainder of that restart or until they get it back. +1 Link to comment
goyney Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Steve said: As Jay said it could use more practical testing on the live server with gangs organically doing the federal events with the cops using this. However I recommend some restrictions in place if it is implemented to limit how easily the police can use this. These limits should be followed and considered black and white to prevent bullshit problems that would otherwise come with this change. These are just ideas and I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on the matter. There should be a certain amount of rebels doing each event this is pulled for. I.e 10 rebels at the fed, 6 at the bank, 6 at the prison etc. I would argue that this should not be pulled at all for the evidence lockup as that is hard enough as is. On the way over to whatever federal event they are going to, the vehicle has to be completely full, that way the cops can't zerg with 5 cops in the madrid and 5+ other hunters/striders, unless they have the numbers to do so, meaning they have 10 in the madrid already and then other cops in armor. That situation would be quite rare I think. The rank of captain could be the only cop allowed to drive it under any circumstances regardless of the situation, if the captain gets shot out tough luck hopefully they have another captain inside the vehicle. Now, speaking about whether or not it is actually impenetrable by a .50 cal definitely needs to get looked at. @John Lemmon demonstrated that could prove to be problematic. I am for this change, however only under the circumstances that it's use by the cops and the circumstances it is used in are very carefully kept in check. I would also like to add that civilians should get the ability to steal it, if the cops are gonna use it then they should be prepared to deal with the chaos that comes with losing it for the remainder of that restart or until they get it back. Message to anyone who reads this whole thing, get a fucking grip you as well Steven nobody wants to read your novel Steve likes this Link to comment
王 Bobby Leel 王 Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 22 hours ago, pigxd said: did my favorite FarmersVille member just say I am a nobody? oh my god! thank you Niklaus likes this Link to comment
danile666 Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 8 hours ago, Steve said: As Jay said it could use more practical testing on the live server with gangs organically doing the federal events with the cops using this. However I recommend some restrictions in place if it is implemented to limit how easily the police can use this. These limits should be followed and considered black and white to prevent bullshit problems that would otherwise come with this change. These are just ideas and I would like to hear other peoples thoughts on the matter. There should be a certain amount of rebels doing each event this is pulled for. I.e 10 rebels at the fed, 6 at the bank, 6 at the prison etc. I would argue that this should not be pulled at all for the evidence lockup as that is hard enough as is. On the way over to whatever federal event they are going to, the vehicle has to be completely full, that way the cops can't zerg with 5 cops in the madrid and 5+ other hunters/striders, unless they have the numbers to do so, meaning they have 10 in the madrid already and then other cops in armor. That situation would be quite rare I think. The rank of captain could be the only cop allowed to drive it under any circumstances regardless of the situation, if the captain gets shot out tough luck hopefully they have another captain inside the vehicle. Now, speaking about whether or not it is actually impenetrable by a .50 cal definitely needs to get looked at. @John Lemmon demonstrated that could prove to be problematic. I am for this change, however only under the circumstances that it's use by the cops and the circumstances it is used in are very carefully kept in check. I would also like to add that civilians should get the ability to steal it, if the cops are gonna use it then they should be prepared to deal with the chaos that comes with losing it for the remainder of that restart or until they get it back. The certain number of cops inside of it wouldnt really work. Everyone in the back drops out from one spot so its a hard kill spot. Makes it pointless without additional units covering the drop. Only allowing a captain to drive it is a bit silly too, if they manage to be shot out there is really no reason to not allow another cop to hop into driver and finish the push. From the front it is really hard to hit a .50 cal shot. We tested this for about 30 minutes. It is possible, but due to the angled armor on the front most shots are actually ricochetting into the window and do not have the force. An elevated dead on shot can pen with .50 or 7.62 through the driver or commanders window. This was confirmed on pushes into events. The side and back are very penetrable by .50. You have to shoot above the seats as they apparantely absorb the bullet, but once it is in it ricochets and wreaks havoc. So along the windows and maybe 6 inches below the windows and a .50 can just rip dudes. The windows are 1-2 shot in the back with 7.62. Again pushing the prison we lost 3 cops from the back being shot out. The left side panels of the marid for the driver and commander are fully pennable with .50. There are clearly different settings on the server that John Lemmon was testing on. When you decamp out of this thing it is almost as bad as an orca on the Asylum server. This is not near as OP as these people seem to think it is. Without proper planning and backup it seems it is actually a bit of a hinderance to the APD. With the proper planning and backup it just positions cops closer. Again just changing the dynamic of the fight. Are people really scared of a cqc fight with cops rather than a snoozefest of ripping cars out as they pile in? Quit being pussies, and fight the damned thing. You will then see its not a big deal. Yuki Hayami, Ryan., Copa and 2 others like this Link to comment
Steve Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 13 hours ago, danile666 said: The certain number of cops inside of it wouldnt really work. Everyone in the back drops out from one spot so its a hard kill spot. Makes it pointless without additional units covering the drop. Only allowing a captain to drive it is a bit silly too, if they manage to be shot out there is really no reason to not allow another cop to hop into driver and finish the push. From the front it is really hard to hit a .50 cal shot. We tested this for about 30 minutes. It is possible, but due to the angled armor on the front most shots are actually ricochetting into the window and do not have the force. An elevated dead on shot can pen with .50 or 7.62 through the driver or commanders window. This was confirmed on pushes into events. The side and back are very penetrable by .50. You have to shoot above the seats as they apparantely absorb the bullet, but once it is in it ricochets and wreaks havoc. So along the windows and maybe 6 inches below the windows and a .50 can just rip dudes. The windows are 1-2 shot in the back with 7.62. Again pushing the prison we lost 3 cops from the back being shot out. The left side panels of the marid for the driver and commander are fully pennable with .50. There are clearly different settings on the server that John Lemmon was testing on. When you decamp out of this thing it is almost as bad as an orca on the Asylum server. This is not near as OP as these people seem to think it is. Without proper planning and backup it seems it is actually a bit of a hinderance to the APD. With the proper planning and backup it just positions cops closer. Again just changing the dynamic of the fight. Are people really scared of a cqc fight with cops rather than a snoozefest of ripping cars out as they pile in? Quit being pussies, and fight the damned thing. You will then see its not a big deal. The reason I suggested those limitations is there realistically needs to be some restrictions for the police in the use of this vehicle. If there isn't a handful of boxes to check before using it, it will almost certainly be used too frequently. This should rarely be a vehicle that is pulled if it ever gets put in. Why? Because for over half a decade police got by without it when they have good leadership around. Joshhh, Abu, Space and 1 other like this Link to comment
Joshhh Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) 16 hours ago, danile666 said: Are people really scared of a cqc fight with cops rather than a snoozefest of ripping cars out as they pile in? Quit being pussies, and fight the damned thing. You will then see its not a big deal. Whats changed that cops suddenly need this helping hand? Why are they losing so much? Should the captains not be looking at what officers are doing when attending banks that are causing them to lose so much? We have done 10+ banks in the last 3 days and lost 1, every time we were outnumbered by cops. Every single bank we do, we have hatchbacks, sometimes FULL hatchbacks try to slam bank when they have no foothold anywhere, except maybe first ATM, what do they expect to happen when they try this??? There appears to be no thought behind pushes, just pull another hatchback and try and not get ripped this time!! There have been multiple instances of cops stacking a single hatchback to come back, die, and get their 2 lives over with so they dont have to repush, do you know how boring it is for us civs??? Instead of crying about needing more help when cops have managed for the last 5 years, you need to look at what cops are doing during your pushes... Edited January 1, 2021 by Joshhh Azeh, Abu, Good Lub and 1 other like this Link to comment
DankBud Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 5 hours ago, Joshhh said: Whats changed that cops suddenly need this helping hand? Why are they losing so much? Should the captains not be looking at what officers are doing when attending banks that are causing them to lose so much? We have done 10+ banks in the last 3 days and lost 1, every time we were outnumbered by cops. Every single bank we do, we have hatchbacks, sometimes FULL hatchbacks try to slam bank when they have no foothold anywhere, except maybe first ATM, what do they expect to happen when they try this??? There appears to be no thought behind pushes, just pull another hatchback and try and not get ripped this time!! There have been multiple instances of cops stacking a single hatchback to come back, die, and get their 2 lives over with so they dont have to repush, do you know how boring it is for us civs??? Instead of crying about needing more help when cops have managed for the last 5 years, you need to look at what cops are doing during your pushes... tellin on another that they are trash an there gang sucks...i heard enough in one day of cadet to not even waste the time on tryin to play cop cause its a shit show,an god forbid if someone suggested an idea that could maybe work. Link to comment
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